I concur the use of Criminal is vague and generalized.
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"Murder Trial & Conviction" He's not infamous for being a "Criminal", that would be Jesse James, Al Capone, Charles Ponzi. He is notable because of 1 alleged crime that in the end he chose not to fight because the Alford Plea was a guaranteed release, a retrial might not have been. The part about maintaining his innocence and not getting the death penalty, life in prison without parole, etc. The Alford Plea allows DAs to release a convict without having to pay reparations for false imprisonment. "Convict" or "Conviction" would be much more accurate than "Criminal". He's still alive, is he currently committing crimes? Isn't part of the allure of the story that there isn't definitive proof he killed his wife? If they were exhuming her body for owl feathers... Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
En vez de decir criminal debería decir escritor o novelista. Creo que este señor ya pagó , por un crimen que no cometió. Faustomala (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Why should you use the term Criminal for Michael Peterson but not for other famous people, such as Mike Tyson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.238.138.28 (talk) 08:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree the 'Criminal' in the title here seems rather branding (judgmental), and wrongfully so for a person not actively engaged in crime or whose guilt has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt.--Smartypants00001 (talk) 06:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Why is "Trial" in the page name when the page is about Michael Peterson? The trial can default to this page but it doesn't seem to make sense to literally put trial in the title when the page is about a person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.43.71 (talk) 03:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Propose to change the title from Michael Peterson (criminal) to Michael Peterson or Michael Peterson (novelist). The title seems to have been vandalized a couple of times now. 2806:109F:16:3F2A:49F0:4C31:7D25:2E45 (talk) 07:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
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template. Archive of last discussion at Talk:Michael_Peterson_(criminal)/Archive_1#Requested_move_4_October_2018. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 11:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)Propose the word "(criminal)" be removed from the title. It is totally unnecessary as details of his trial can be found in the information about him. Booboo828282 (talk) 09:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Suggest the word "(author)" is used instead. It is unfair and unjust to label him a criminal, which evidence in his trial has proved him not to be! Booboo828282 (talk) 09:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
How about "alleged crime committer" 107.77.169.26 (talk) 03:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
https://www.duhoctrungquoc.vn/wiki/en/The_Staircase_Murders?wprov=sfla1 isn't listed. 80.189.85.38 (talk) 17:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: There's definitely consensus to move, and it looks like the originally proposed title is the one that has most support at the moment. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 10:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Michael Peterson (criminal) → Michael Peterson trial – To start off with this discussion, I will say this has been anything but an usual trial. There has been sustained coverage beyond the 2003 conviction with the The Staircase documentary.
The first requested move was in June 2018 for "Death of Kathleen Peterson" which came to "no consensus" as opinions were split. There was an AfD for the Kathleen Peterson article concurrent with the RM. The AfD resulted in the article being redirected here. I believe this is when The Staircase aired on Netflix which piqued interest back into the case. A second requested move came from me in October 2018 for "Michael Peterson (author)" which came to "not moved" to which I admit my reasoning was poor.
My request to move the page to "Michael Peterson trial" I think is a better option than its current place. The article and talk page history will at least show the use of "(criminal)" in the article name wishing for it to be moved but with no solid reasoning or consensus based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
WP:CRIME states A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person. The discussion about the disambiguation to be novelist or author in the past has been solid on understanding Michael Peterson is not notable for his published works. Do understand the argument presented is not about whether or not he was a criminal. He is a convicted felon in the eyes of North Carolina. The focus should be kept on the trial as this is the item with sustained coverage. It minimizes repeated concerns of BLP violations or undue weight. Anything about his life throughout the trial up to his Alford plea can be covered in The Staircase which is a separate article. (I just realized there's also an upcoming miniseries) – The Grid (talk) 22:25, 5 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 05:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Missing from this article is the fact that the Petersons didn’t just find the blow poke, it was ALREADY FOUND early on by the police. They examined it, determined it wasn’t the murder weapon, moved it to the basement from its original location, and persisted in arguing in court that it was the murder weapon but that it was NEVER FOUND! Such staggering corruption should lead to jail time for the police and forensic scientists who were involved in this travesty and should be reported in the article. It first gets mentioned in either the last or penultimate episode of ‘The Staircase’ on NetFlix. Overlordnat1 (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
He, via Alford Plea, plead guilty to manslaughter. This is covered in the 'Alford plea' section of the article where it says "On February 24, 2017, Peterson entered an Alford plea ... to the voluntary manslaughter of Kathleen". The Verdict in the article short points in the top right only refers to the 2003 guilty verdict. Isn't this a little bit unfair given the widely believed wrongful conviction in the 2003 trial? Even the judge admitted on video he felt that trial had been prejudice towards Michael. Can another line be included to denote the eventual outcome rather than make it look like at a quick glance that the main takeaway from the case is he was declared guilty? Quacktaccy (talk) 18:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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