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A good job on simplifying here but I disagree with quite a few of the changes. For example,
This is not a good way to do it. There are no simpler substitutes for "satellite" and "planet". We need to retain accuracy. "True how not round it is", "True bits of the way around" and "True longest line from the center to it" aren't even proper English... Scientific topics will always have to deal with difficult words, but this is not the way to deal with them. Osiris (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Remember that word lists are general suggestions, by one person or another. It doesn't mean that we always have to stick to them, and in many cases we won't be able to. Accuracy is key on scientific topics, and "Special point in time" as a replacement for "Epoch" is not going to help people learn. Most of the replacements are extremely esoteric and won't make sense to most readers.
Osiris (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Here is a list of problematic fields in this infobox. Some I think need reverting, some need re-doing, and some might need to just be removed as a parameter entirely.
Parameter | Original | Current | Decision? |
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{{{mp_name}}} | MPC designation | Name | Done |
{{{epoch}}} | Epoch | Reference date | delete if 2000 (2000 is standard) |
{{{aphelion}}} | {{#switch:{{{apsis}}}|apsis|gee|(apsis)=[[Apsis|Apo{{{apsis}}}]]|[[Apsis|Ap{{{apsis|helion}}}]]}} | Longest distance from the Sun | keep Done |
{{{perihelion}}} | Peri{{{apsis|helion}}} | Shortest distance from the Sun | delete |
{{{periapsis}}} | Peri{{{apsis|apsis}}} | Shortest distance from what it orbits around | keep if appropriate (applies to satellites) |
{{{apoapsis}}} | {{#switch:{{{apsis}}}|helion|astron=[[Apsis|Ap{{{apsis}}}]]|[[Apsis|Apo{{{apsis|apsis}}}]]}} | Longest distance from what it orbits around | delete |
{{{semimajor}}} | Semi-major axis | Longest distance from the center of its orbital path ("semi-major axis") | delete |
{{{mean_orbit_radius}}} | Mean orbit radius | Avg. distance from the center of its orbital path | delete or substitute for longest distance |
{{{eccentricity}}} | Eccentricity | How egg-shaped its orbit is ("eccentricity") | delete Done |
{{{period}}} | Orbital period | How long it takes to complete an orbit | keep always |
{{{synodic_period}}} | Synodic period | How long an orbit seems to take (from the central body) | delete: ridiculous except for our moon |
{{{inclination}}} | Inclination | Angle above the reference plane ("inclination") | hmmm thinking... very complex |
{{{angular_dist}}} | Angular distance | Angle above the celestial equator ("angular distance") | delete Done |
{{{asc_node}}} | Longitude of ascending node | Longitude of where it comes up through the reference plane | delete: insanely complex for our readers! Done |
{{{long_periastron}}} | Longitude of periastron | Longitude of its shortest distance from what it orbits around | delete Done |
{{{time_periastron}}} | Time of periastron | Time of its shortest distance from what it orbits around | delete Done |
{{{arg_peri}}} | Argument of peri{{{apsis|helion}}} | Angle between its shortest distance from what it orbits around and where it comes up through the reference plane ("argument of periapsis") | delete Done |
{{{semi-amplitude}}} | Semi-amplitude | Angle between true east and where it comes up through the reference plane ("amplitude") | delete Done |
{{{satellites}}} | Satellites | Natural things which orbit around it | always keep |
N/A | Proper orbital elements | True measures | Done: removed since no params left |
{{{p_semimajor}}} | Proper semi-major axis | True measure of the longest distance from what it orbits around | effectively duplicates a previous item Done |
{{{p_eccentricity}}} | Proper eccentricity | True measure of how egg-shaped its orbit is | delete Done |
{{{p_inclination}}} | Proper inclination | True measure of its angle above the reference plane | delete Done |
{{{p_mean_motion}}} | Proper mean motion | True measure of its average motion | delete Done |
N/A | Proper orbital period | True measure of how long it takes to complete an orbit | delete Done |
{{{perihelion_rate}}} | Precession of perihelion | Change of the shortest distance from what it orbits around | delete Done |
{{{node_rate}}} | Precession of the ascending node | Change of where it comes up through the reference plane | delete Done |
N/A | Physical characteristics | Size and other qualities | Done |
{{{dimensions}}} | Dimensions | Measures | Done: "Measurements" |
{{{mean_radius}}} | Mean radius | Average distance from its center to its surface | keep always Done: "Average radius" |
{{{equatorial_radius}}} | Equatorial radius | Distance from its center to its surface at its equator | delete in favour of average Done |
{{{polar_radius}}} | Polar radius | Distance from its center to its surface at the poles | delete Done |
{{{flattening}}} | Flattening | Flatness at the poles | delete Done |
{{{circumference}}} | Circumference | Distance around its equator | keep Done |
{{{surface_area}}} | Surface area | Area of its surface | weak keep Done: back to original |
{{{volume}}} | Volume | Volume inside it | weak keep Done: back to original |
{{{surface_grav}}} | Equatorial surface gravity | Gravity at its surface | weak delete / weak keep (they won't understand it) Done "Surface gravity" |
{{{escape_velocity}}} | Escape velocity | Slowest speed able to escape into space ("escape velocity") | keep as "escape velocity", v. well-known term Done: back to original |
{{{rotation}}} | Rotation period | How long it takes to turn around one time | keep as original term Done: back to original |
{{{sidereal_day}}} | Sidereal rotation period | How long it takes to turn around one time (in relation to the stars) | delete Done |
{{{rot_velocity}}} | Equatorial rotation velocity | Turning speed | delete |
{{{axial_tilt}}} | Axial tilt | Angle at which it turns (in relation to its orbit) | delete |
{{{right_asc_north_pole}}} | North pole right ascension | Long. around the celestial equator ("right ascension") | delete Done |
{{{declination}}} | North pole declination | Angle above the celestial equator ("declination") | delete |
{{{pole_ecliptic_lat}}} | Pole ecliptic latitude | Latitude above the ecliptic | delete Done |
{{{pole_ecliptic_lon}}} | Pole ecliptic longitude | Longitude around the ecliptic | delete Done |
{{{albedo}}} | Albedo | How much light it reflects | don't know Done: kept |
{{{single_temperature}}} | Temperature | Avg. surface temp. | keep Done |
{{{spectral_type}}} | Spectral type | Light-band group ("spectral type") | ? keep Done: back to original |
{{{magnitude}}} | Apparent magnitude | Seeming brightness ("apparent magnitude") | keep, and keep term Done |
{{{abs_magnitude}}} | Absolute magnitude (H) | True brightness ("absolute magnitude") | keep, and keep term Done |
{{{angular_size}}} | Angular diameter | Seeming size ("angular diameter") | delete Done |
N/A | Atmosphere | Air | keep, and keep the word atmosphere Done: back to original |
{{{atmosphere_composition}}} | Composition | Make up | keep Done |
Let's try and make out planet infobox as simple as it can possibly be, but still provide the basic data that an everyday person would want to know. Osiris (talk) 06:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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Done. As for the rest, I think we should leave them in the template, and leave it up to editorial discretion as to whether they're used in the article. One more thing, though: "orbits around"/"orbit around" is used a few times, but I'm thinking that "around" is redundant, no? Osiris (talk) 07:41, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Again, I do appreciate what you have done. I'm just keen not to leave these details because it may be years before anyone gets back to this particular job. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:38, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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field on that particular transclusion. You can change what gases are listed, formatting and spelling there too. I too prefer spaces between letters and citations, personally, but I have a feeling that MOS has it without spaces. I have, in the past, added spaces in table situations, and quite possibly infoboxes, where there aren't any punctuation marks before the citation. In this case, the visual problem is slightly exacerbated by the use of superscript digits, rather than of HTML super-scripting, which produces slightly larger digits (cf., km² vs km2 – the latter is written km2
and is MOS standard). Osiris (talk) 04:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)This article uses material from the Wikipedia Simple English article Template talk:Infobox planet, which is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license ("CC BY-SA 3.0"); additional terms may apply (view authors). Content is available under CC BY-SA 4.0 unless otherwise noted. Images, videos and audio are available under their respective licenses.
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