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Ami Dror

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. References are atrocious and consist mostly interviews, passing mentions and tangenital links and profiles. scope_creep^Talk 14:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Sourcing meets WP:GNG. --Omer Toledano (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep--היידן (talk) 15:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Has at least 3 solid GNG references. I didn't review all 57 references, but if some or even many have the problems described in the nom, that is not a reason to delete the article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sofiblum (talk) 15:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a WP:SPA and has made no other contributions to Wiki English. scope_creep^Talk 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Businesspeople, Politics, and Israel. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 15:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'll look at the references, all of them this weekend, including the 3 supposed good references on a 30k article with close to 60 references, suffering from WP:CITEKILL. scope_creep^Talk 15:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• keep a very well known docial activist who had asignificant impact on the protests in Israel Hila Livne (talk) 16:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• keep. A known activist and the article has enough references. Danny-w (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This editor hasn't edited for months and magically appears now for some reason. scope_creep^Talk 17:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment Seems to a lot of canvassing going on here, from Hebrew speaking Jewish editors again, espousing the same arguments I've heard before about being fanstastically well known and article has enough references. We will find out. scope_creep^Talk 16:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems as though tag teaming is going on. I might have to take you all to WP:ANI, including the Hebrew admin, except North8000. This behaviour is probably disruptive. scope_creep^Talk 17:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strike your comment, which violates WP:CIVILITY and WP:AGF. The religion and nationality of other editors is irrelevant, as are evidence-free charges of canvassing. Longhornsg (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Scope creep: I would like to repeat Longhornsg's request. Strike your comment. It comes across as ad hominem and racist. It has no place in an AfD. You have made several additional comments to this AfD without addressing it. Do not continue to comment here while failing to address this. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not meant to be racist. I've struck the comment, but it still looks like canvassing and this is the 20th Afd where I've seen this behaviour. scope_creep^Talk 07:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Are all the sources perfect? Absolutely not, the article needs work. Does coverage of the article topic in RS satisfy WP:GNG? Yes. Longhornsg (talk) 17:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was reviewed at Afc by 4 seperate editors who found it wanting before I rejected it. To say it needs work, is the understatement of the century. scope_creep^Talk 17:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Well-known activist. The very fact that he has been interviewed repeatedly by the mainstream press is convincing evidence of notability. Non-notable people are not sought for interviews. Moreover, there is no rule against using the content of interviews in BLPs. The strictest rule is WP:ABOUTSELF which allows such material. Zero^talk 14:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your a bit out of date, aren't you. Certainly your allowed to use interviews in biographical article, but per consensus there must be other supporting coverage. It is a list of interviews and nothing else. Anybody can get interviewed by anybody and make a list of interviews. scope_creep^Talk 14:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is simply not true that anyone can be interviewed multiple times by the press. And you need to read WP:BLUDGEON (and learn how to spell "you're"). Zero^talk 15:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Lets looks at the references, to find these three elusive WP:SECONDARY sources.

• Ref 1 [1] This is exclusive interview. Not independent.
• Ref 2 [2] This is contributor. Its non-rs.
• Ref 3 Unable to see it at the moment.
• Ref 4 [3] This is another interview. Not independent.
• Ref 5 [4] This is another interview style PR business article. Not independent.
• Ref 6 [5] This is from a press-release. It is non-rs.
• Ref 7 [6] Ami Dror, founder. That is not independent.
• Ref 8 [7] Non-notable trade award. A small profile on Dror.
• Ref 9 [8] His business is thrilled to annouce. A press-release. Non-RS.
• Ref 10 [9] Another press-release Non-RS.
• Ref 11 [10] An interview. Not independent.
• Ref 12 [11] Business interview. It is not independent.
• Ref 13 [12] Another interview. Not independent.
• Ref 14 404
• Ref 15 [13] A radio interview. Not independent.
• Ref 16 Unable to view it.

Out of the 15 references in the first block, the majority of which are interviews. So nothing to prove any long term viability for this WP:BLP article. scope_creep^Talk 18:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Following references are solid and satisfy WP:GNG:
• Ref 32 [14] - "Shine News" in Shanghai
• Ref 33 [15] (Hebrew) - in Calcalist
• Ref 30 [16] - in Israel21c
Kindly retract your deletion request. --Omer Toledano (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting these @Omer Toledano:. I will take a look at them.
• Ref 32 This is a business interview style article for a new business by Dror, based in Shanghai. It is not idependent.
• Ref 33 This is also a business style interview with Dror that comes under WP:NCORP as part of PR branding drive for his new company in Shanghai. It is not independent either. Its is him talking.
• Ref 30 This is another PR style article with no byline, promoting the business. It is not independent.
None of these are independent. They are not valid sources for a WP:THREE exercise. This is a WP:BLP tha must pass WP:BIO to remain on Wiki English. WP:BLP states, "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." Not one of these 19 sources can satisfy notability to prove it. They are not independent, they are not in-depth and they are not significant. I'll look at the second block. scope_creep^Talk 19:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They satisfy WP:GNG and that is sufficient enough. Kindly retract your deletion request. --Omer Toledano (talk) 19:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Looking at the 2nd tranche of references:

• Comment Some discussions mentioned requirements from WP:NCORP WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS. These are requirements for using special Notability Guideline "way in" for Companies/Organizations. This is an article about a person, not a company or organization. The applicable standards would be to pass either the sourcing WP:GNG (the center of the discussion here) or the people SNG Wiki: Notability (people) (not discussed here). Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 19:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@North8000: The article mixes WP:BLP and promotes a stong business content via PR which are pure spam links and that one the reason that it was repeatedly declined continuously on WP:AFC. It has been established practice since about 2018 and is consensus to note these when it fails a policy, even if its WP:NCORP. The PR spam link reference make up a tiny number, less than 3-5% of the total. There not independent. scope_creep^Talk 19:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Thanks for posting these @Omer Toledano: in the spirit they are intended. I will take a look at them.

• Ref 32 This is a business interview style article for a new business by Dror, based in Shanghai. It is a promotional PR piece and is not independent.It is a WP:SPS source.
• Ref 33 This is also a business style interview with Dror that comes under WP:NCORP as part of PR branding drive for his new company in Shanghai. It is not independent either.
• Ref 30 This is another PR style article with no byline, promoting the business. It is non-rs.
None of these are independent. They are not valid sources for a WP:THREE exercise. This is a WP:BLP tha must pass WP:BIO to remain on Wiki English. WP:BLP states, "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." Not one of these 19 sources can satisfy notability to prove it. They are not independent, they are not in-depth and they are not significant. I'll look at the second block. scope_creep^Talk 19:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Looking at the 2nd tranche of references:

• Ref 17 [17] Another interview. Its not independent.
• Ref 18 [18] Another interview. Seems he was the bodyguard of Netanyahu.
• Ref 19 Non-rs
• Ref 20 Non-rs
• Ref 21 Unable to view it
• Ref 22 [19] Its a passing mention.
• Ref 23 Non-rs
• Ref 24 [20] It is a profile. It is junk social media. Non-rs.
• Ref 25 [21] Essentially a passing mention.
• Ref 27 [22] "Ami Dror, said in an interview with CNET" Not independent.
• Ref 28 [23] Doesn't mention him.
• Ref 29 [24] It is a passing mention and is not significant.
• Ref 30 Duplicate of above. PR
• Ref 31 [25] A small profile. Not significant.
• Ref 32 Described above as PR that fails. It is a WP:SPS source.
• Ref 34 Non-rs
• Ref 35 [26] That is a press-release. Fails WP:SIRS.
• Ref 36 [27] That is a routine annoucenent of partnership that fails WP:CORPDEPTH.

So another block of junk reference. Not one of them is a WP:SECONDARY source. Some passing mentions, lots of interviews, a lot of business PR and not one that satisfies WP:BIO or WP:SIGCOV. The article is a complete crock. (edit conflict) scope_creep^Talk 19:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Give it a rest and stop WP:BADGERING. Longhornsg (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There has been linking to essays, guidelines, and policies which I feel in several cases has been incorrect regarding what they are, their applicability (including the context of where they came from) and interpretations of them. Other than to note that, I don't plan to get deeper in on them individually. IMO the core question is whether the topic/article has the sources to comply with a customary application of WP:GNG Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I've removed the WP:NCORP mentions per discussion, although the businesses are heavily promoted in the article. The rest of the reference in the 3rd tranche are of equally poor references, made up of profiles, interviews, podcast and lots of non-rs refs. It none of secondary sourcing needed to prove the person is notable per WP:BIO. Of the three criteria in WP:BIO, this person fails all of them. Up until Dror started to protest which was quite recent, he was invisible. Its all of the moment. scope_creep^Talk 14:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tal Slutzker

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No significant, numerous, third-party sources can be found to support notability in general or as an artist; just a couple of interviews and one advertorial: A young artist like myriads of others. No judgement whatsoever on artistic value, this. But Wikipedia is not a complete directory of artists nor a random collection of information. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Authors, Poetry, and Israel. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails GNG, and possible public relations editing by the editor responsible for placing overwhelming majority of contents into that article. Graywalls (talk) 08:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The sources are absent really, which is unfortunate really for a quite stellar artist. I couldn't find any of his work any major museums unfortunately. I may be early days hopefully. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 11:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Not enough there yet, could be WP:TOOSOON BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. One of the criteria for notability of an artist (NARTIST) is "The person's work (or works) has: ... been a substantial part of a significant exhibition" (note the singular). The article lists 6 solo exhibitions and 11 non-solo exhibitions. His he.wiki article lists 20 exhibitions and 4 books. This is quite a lot. Here is an article about an exhibition he had at the Herzliya Museum of Modern Art. Here is a newspaper article about another exhibition. In order to decide that he fails NARTIST, it is necessary to decide that none of these 20 exhibitions count as "significant". This has not been done yet on this page and I'm dubious. To me he looks quite notable. Zero^talk 16:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. In addition to his exhibition at the Herzliya Museum of Contemporary Art, Slutzker had a solo exhibition at the Tel Aviv Museum of Art, Israel's largest art museum. Coverage in multiple national publications, including Walla!News, Maariv, and Ynet also satisfy the superseding WP:NBIO. Longhornsg (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - A BEFORE search did not turn up much other than social media, some primary sources, interviews (primary and light weight with some questions like "What's your cat's name?" and press-release-based coverage, but no critical analysis in major art magazines or art history books. He doesn't meet WP:NARTIST either. Having a small handful of shows, even with a couple at museums is not relevant - that's just what artists do, they show their work like hundreds of thousands of other artists. A significant exhibition is being in the Venice Biennale, or Documenta, or the Whitney Biennial. Appears to be a COI entry. It appears to be WP:TOOSOON for this emerging artist, perhaps in a few more years he will be ready for an encyclopedia article. Netherzone (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It is simply not true that "hundreds of thousands" of artists have multiple solo exhibitions. It's not like they invite themselves, they have to be invited by a gallery which considers their work significant enough to take other works of art off the wall for a while. As for what "significant exhibition" means: who says? Looking at List of Israeli visual artists, I see many articles about artists with weaker exhibition histories. It seems that existing practice in deciding notability does not impose such high standards as you do. Zero^talk 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, the many exhibitions, books, and other presentations seem enough for notability to exist. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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