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Hey, Epicgenius! So here's the thing about dyk: if you haven't created preps, you have no idea what prep-setters and admins at dyk do or what challenges they face. Many editors who are regular nominators and reviewers think they'd be willing to admin, but have never filled preps, and when they become admins and start moving preps to queues, they quickly realize they didn't know what they were volunteering for. A prep-setter doesn't just create a balanced set. They also do a quick re-review on many of the hooks; you get to know whose hooks you don't have to review too heavily, but you always have to at least go check for a recent edit war or tags. If the nominator or the reviewer are new or known to be sloppy, you'll have to do a full re-review of that hook. Often prep-setters have questions they have to ask at the hook, and they deal with pushback from noms/reviewers/passersby for that. Then once you've finished a prep you have to deal with fallout at DYK talk and ERRORS. Admins do the exact same thing -- a re-review, because prep-setters miss things too, then the move (fairly simple), posting questions at DYK talk and pinging involved parties, dealing with pushback from them, and finally any fallout at ERRORS when someone finds an error you missed. So if you think you would be willing to admin at dyk, definitely go fill preps for a while to see if you like it or not. Some people love it -- I did, and I like adminning there -- but not everyone is cut out for it. It's a high-visibility job. People catch your mistakes, and the only way to prevent that is to catch other people's mistakes first. —valereee (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, thanks for the advice. That is good to know. I think this sort of stuff should be enjoyable for me, even if a bit difficult. I just read the project page on prep areas, and it seems a bit difficult to get a good balance on hooks. epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
That's one of the most fun parts of setting preps. The thing to do for your first prep is pick the bottom empty set (which right now gives you three days to fill it but normally six days.) Count to figure out whether the image hook needs a bio or a non-bio (it alternates by day). Go find one, vet it, and transfer it. That'll let the other prep setters know you'll fill that set. Not that they or an admin won't move stuff in and out if they need it or think another set is better for that hook, but in general one prep-setter works on a set. Then start putting the puzzle together -- no more than four bios (alternating in the set with non-bio), no more than one music/science/military/whatever subject. Not too many from any one country, though 2 - 4 USA hooks will be necessary. A balance of geographical area, not all from English-speaking countries. A balance of long and short. And of course a quirky. It's an art. Don't be afraid to trim or tweak hooks, but read the nom first if you do, as there may have already been discussion. Keep on top of talk in case someone asks a question about one of the hooks in that set, because some people won't realize they need to ping you as the promoter. :) Ping me any time, and Yoninah will often leave pointers on how to improve at your talk. When she stops, you know you're getting near the point of competence. :) —valereee (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Once again, very impressive work on very important station complex and line articles. There is more to be added about the change in BMT plans re:Canal Street. Eventually, Clark Street Tunnel should be its own article. Also, the citations for IRT Broadway–Seventh Avenue Line are really messed up and include self-published sources like nycsubway.org, and there is more history that could be added. A lot of my older GA nominations should be looked at again for things like this. Also, for Union Square, it is worth mentioning the impromptu 9/11 memorial, and the post-2016 election post-it notes (https://mashable.com/article/power-of-post-it-note-protest-subway-therapy, https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/post-it-notes-left-union-square-election-preserved-article-1.2913344, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/12/19/post-election-subway-therapy-sticky-notes-taken-down-but-not-thrown-out/, https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/nyregion/subway-election-therapy-wall-sticky-notes.html). Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, the pleasure is mine. I do agree that the Clark Street Tunnel should get its own page in the future. I've also noticed that there's a lot more that can be said about the Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line, especially its construction, and will have to work on it gradually. The biggest mess, though, is the Canal Street article - there are a lot of details about the BMT station that are just not mentioned at the moment, and the article in general needs more refs.
As for the Union Square station, the article already mentions both the 9/11 memorial and the post-it wall (the second paragraph of 14th Street–Union Square station#Artwork). I thought one paragraph would be sufficient, seeing as how the artwork was not sanctioned by the MTA but seems to be covered by multiple reliable sources. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
I fully agree. I missed it somehow. Don't forget the Stantec studies, like the one that found making Clark Street accessible was infeasible, and which provides some sourcing for station layout (i.e. platform length/width). Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
It also is probably worth mentioning the 1990 fire in the Clark Street article. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
I agree and can get around to that soon. In the meantime, I was looking at the study for Union Square, which says: This technology does not meet ADA standards, and since there is currently no technology that does, there is no fully accessible solution for the southbound platform. We are including an option for providing elevator service to this platform in this report with the understanding that this will not provide a fully accessible solution at this time. So I suppose this means the southbound platform can get an elevator, it just won't be ADA-accessible because gap fillers, by their very nature, are ADA-inaccessible. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Yeah. Also, unrelated, but the 1990 Clark Street Tunnel fire was very notable, and there were major reports done on fire safety/communication, etc. in its aftermath. It would warrant an article of its own. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
I also think the 1990 Clark Street fire should get its own article. (I think the fire happened just east of the Clark Street station, though, not in the tunnel under the river.) In terms of recent NYC Subway disasters, the fire has had at least as much of an impact as the 1991 Union Square derailment or the 1995 Williamsburg Bridge subway collision did. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Also-the provisions in the Eastern Parkway Line used for the Clark Street Tunnel connection were initially intended for a line over the Manhattan Bridge. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:27, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
That is interesting. If we can find a reliable source for this, I could add it to the Borough Hall or Eastern Parkway Line articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I have seen reliable sources for this-if you cannot find them, I can look for them after I get my final paper for the semester done today. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I started a draft Clark Street Tunnel article here: User:Kew Gardens 613/sandbox 7#Clark Street Tunnel. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Have you seen this article before? Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613, I have, but thanks for clipping it. The first part of that source seems to largely duplicate the New York Herald Tribune ref that's already in the Fulton Street station article. But it has some info that isn't mentioned in the NYHT source, specifically the 535-foot length of the station. The second part of the source could be used for the Broad Street station article though. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Outstanding work on the article. We really shouldn't be using The Station Reporter as a source. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
There is stuff to be added about flooding/water intrusion problems at Canal. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
There was a report put out. I found two articles I had clipped (https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-new-york-times/98305321/, https://www.newspapers.com/article/times-union/99774843/) Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
I agree. I've noticed quite a bit of info about how Canal Street's proximity to the old Collect Pond contributed to tons of water problems there. I can add these sources in later. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
It was a paper, not a report. I haven't found it online. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
I found it. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
This journal is a great source for construction details. I found one article with details on underpinning and other aspects of subway construction from 1919, one on sewer siphons, SI transportation, and Columbus Circle construction Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
That's very interesting. I might have to look through this journal to, um, shore up some architectural articles as well. That Canal Street article was really detailed, and I expect the others will be no different. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Also one on train dispatching, the Manhattan Bridge Plaza, and the ENY tunnel Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for spamming here, but also Joralemon, and here, excavation, the Atlantic Av improvement, and Brighton Line improvements Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
No problem. I will just add all these links to a subsection of User:Epicgenius/sandbox/to do, where we can both track it easily. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Signaling, car design, and ventilation, and IRT track design as well Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
There is this thorough masterpiece on Dual Contracts construction. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  Bumping thread for 30 days. Epicgenius (talk) 22:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

  Bumping thread for 60 days. Epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
  Bumping thread for 360 days. Epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC) – Epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
@Kew Gardens 613, by the way, we might want to flesh out User:Epicgenius/sandbox/article-draft1, my sandbox on the Manhattan Bridge subway closure. I'm planning to bring the Manhattan Bridge article to GA, which will probably require condensing the Manhattan Bridge#Trackage history section, and the closures are a notable topic that I've been meaning to finish writing about for a while. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
@Epicgenius I have been very busy, but, when I have a chance, will try to get back to this. Amazing work on all the bridge articles. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

 

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Hey Epicgenius, I'm about to make some fish tacos. Nothing fancy--frozen tuna and coleslaw, for my boy and me. If you have nothing better to do, can you have a look at User:ThatOneFilipinoGuy? Their edits on User talk:FMSky are interesting, and there's two accounts/masters mentioned on that user page--perhaps some of those edits will look familiar to you. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies, that sounds tasty - probably better than the instant noodles I had today. Yeah, the pattern of repeatedly adding unsubsted warnings is somewhat similar. Unfortunately, I can't say with certainty that either of ThatOneFilipinoGuy's sockmasters is related to the user we were just dealing with, who seems to be focused on ethnicity. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Actually, I might be wrong. MidAtlanticBaby edited a bunch of New York geography articles just before their edit-warring spree, and has also edited musicians' pages and "X ethnicity in Y country" pages. Wolfman5580's recent contribution history shows a bunch of Georgia geography, musician, and "X ethnicity in Y country" pages. It's a weak overlap, so personally I would take that with a grain of salt. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Yeah--that makes sense. But I wouldn't be asking if CU hadn't indicated something odd; that's where the link came from, but the date on FilipinoGuy is stale. Well, I'll leave it be for now, but I will not hesitate to drop the indefinite block if the user continues. Oh, the fish tacos were not bad. For tonight I'm marinating chicken thighs in a yogurt concoction and I've already baked a yogurt/orange cake. You're always welcome here. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) It's now entirely your fault that I'm making fish tacos this week. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
Heh... perhaps I should get some fish tacos this week too.   Epicgenius (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with your quick assertion that ViaCarota should not be deleted. It is a blatant advertisement for a New York City restaurant. Your claim that it was created "some time ago" is not accurate in that the article was created less than 23 months ago. I also disagree that it is "well sourced." The sources mainly come from a few foody media outlets, like "Eatery NY" and the James Beard Foundation, not counting the consistent use of a "Best" list of NYC restaurants published regularly by the New York Times. I have never requested an article be deleted and had the request removed within seconds. Also, you have a conflict of interest since you have contributed to this article in the past. We need a decision by someone other than myself, who requested the speedy deletion, and you, who have contributed to the article and clearly have a conflict. I have no choice but to pursue this further. Thank you for your work with Wikipedia and I'm truly sorry that our first meeting here is one in which we disagree. I hope to work with you in a more favorable situation in the future. All the best. MarydaleEd (talk) 02:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation @MarydaleEd, and no hard feelings on my end. I should clarify that the reason I removed it is solely because it isn't exclusively promotional - the G11 criterion requires that the entire page be promotional. Because there's a non-promotional "history" section, however, an administrator would most likely decline to delete the page even if the G11 tag were to be reinstated.
I should also say that my removal was not a decline, but a standard removal. The CSD criteria state that "for most speedy deletion criteria, the creator of a page may not remove the deletion tag from it; only an editor who is not the creator of a page may do so." My removal was based on an assessment that it doesn't fit the G11 criterion, because that criterion explicitly excludes articles that are written from a neutral point of view.
This does not preclude anyone from starting a WP:AFD for the article, based on the reasons you stated. As a matter of fact, I recommend you send this to AFD if you think the coverage of this restaurant is merely superficial. – Epicgenius (talk) 03:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Epicgenius, note that this is still open.. :) Three supports BTW!  750h+ | Talk  08:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot all about it. I will leave more comments soon (though I can't really look at it in detail for the next three days or so). – Epicgenius (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Oh okay, thanks :)).  750h+ | Talk  14:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Epicgenius: the nom has five supports already :)). You don't really have to look at it in detail, most of the reviewers only saw few problems so I think there shouldn't be any problems really.  750h+ | Talk  03:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Epic, hope all finds you well. You have taught me how to do this once, several years ago, but now I’ve forgotten. For the Maplink function, one has to enter different ‘Q’ codes to geo-locate a pushpin location within state, country, world, etc. Can you please remind me how to locate those ‘Q’ codes again? Best, Castncoot (talk) 04:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Castncoot, on the left sidebar of the page, there should be a link labeled "Wikidata item". Clicking that will take you to the corresponding Wikidata page with the Q code. Epicgenius (talk) 12:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Epicgenius, interestingly turned out that the Q codes ended up being more cumbersome to use for pushpin maps for the boroughs and the city. Best, Castncoot (talk) 03:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)