Hi, unsure of the etiquette as I have very rarely edited on Wikipedia before.
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However, I saw the note that changes to the first paragraph should be discussed here first. I think the phrasing "also known as the Republic of Ireland" is quite contentious as it establishes a kind of parity with the one and only official name of the State in English. Would it not be better to use "also described as the Republic of Ireland" with "described" linking to the Wiki page "Names of the Irish State"? Mutant32z (talk) 15:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
This issue has been discussed heavily in the past and as far as I am aware the consensus was to state "officially described as the Republic of Ireland" considering that is stated as its description in the act that declared the Free State a Republic. So no its not a fantasy name and has been used by the Irih government itself at times. Mabuska (talk) 22:08, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
This discussion took place while the article wasn't on my watchlist, and I've only just seen it now. The opening sentence was highly contentious for many years. It was finally thrashed out in this discussion in June-July 2012 (from the first heading down to the bottom of the page). There was overwhelming support for "also known as". "Also described as" was suggested once, if I remember correctly, but never seriously entertained. I have reverted to the consensus wording, and I think another RFC would be needed if it is proposed to change it again. Scolaire (talk) 18:08, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
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GDP is not very meaningful for Ireland for the well known reasons, the infobox should probably give more prominence to GNI or carry some disclaimer. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GNP.PCAP.CD?locations=IE --Nemo 12:09, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, we should replace GDP with GNI* in the statistics table on the right - this is what the Central Bank of Ireland propose. GDP (and even GNP) is no longer a meaningful statistic for Ireland (in fact it is very misleading) Britishfinance (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm just querying two issues
As stated before, I understand not everything or everyone can be written about or listed, however, I find it strange why these topics I have raised above would not be given even one line or mention, since they are an essential subject and contribute (or relate at least) to culture, tourism, business, and in some cases politics in Ireland as they would in any country, and therefore merit been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.1.202.203 (talk) 19:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi - have re-wrote the economy section (in the body) and the summary to update the material but also to correct stuff around using Ireland's GDP per capita as a measure of wealth (or even GDP as a measure of true economic growth). Also wanted to ensure that the material captures how dominant US multinationals are to Ireland's economy. thanks Britishfinance (talk) 12:23, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
I think the name of the state section should be moved to further down in the article. I don't think it's what a reader expects to encounter when looking for information on Ireland. Suggest it's moved to below the section on the 1937 Constitution. Kevinc565 (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)16/04/18
I don't want to engage in a dispute about facts or bias but the opening paragraph / introduction is obsessed with tax matters. Is this a standard template for all countries on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobalt69 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi;
I think we should use this foto instead of mine! best wishes, −A,Ocram (talk) 15:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
As far as I can gather there is no such thing as a "first" official language; we usually just order them alphabetically so why is this the case here. ImprovedWikiImprovment (disputationem) 18:40, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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Can we amend the title of this page and all references to the country in this format.
The details on the page as best I can verify are 100% correct particularly in relation to name, history and description.
The glaring exception is the title. This title amendment will capture all aspects
Name: Ireland (defined in the constitution, no referendum to change that yet) Description: it is a republic since 1948.
Widespread confusion abounds especially outside the Island of Ireland.
My suggested change captures all this and allows people who are looking for Ireland to find the correct information and people who think the name is "Republic of Ireland" will also find their way to the correct information.
This will allow Wikipedia to clarify the situation as the page does but the title actually adds confusion.
Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 07:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much, studying your link now. Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 08:26, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello MilborneOne
I have spent some time studying the Project Ireland Collaboration, joined the group and generally researched the area. Much of it appears inactive for almost 10 years.
In light of the current Brexit environment I believe this topic is worth revisiting. The Irish border is a key sticking point in negotiations. I have literally spent half my life in Ireland and the UK (South East England). I have no axe to grind. My intention is to improve accuracy and reduce possible offence. I see my proposed title change was not amoung the suggested names voted on.
I respectfully invite you to comment/reply to my suggestion or please point me to an active area where this is being considered (sorry I am a noob, but trying hard)
P.S. Very jealous of your spectacular flying career, I did start an CPL course, I have flown solo but was advised my time critical decision making was letting me down I would need more flight hours to get to CPL, I had to back out due to financial concerns. Sorry very OT.
Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 09:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Could Ireland (republic of) fit guidelines, thanks for your time. I will search further for more recent talk and guidlines advice. Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
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The link island of Ireland in the lead links to Ireland so it was changed to island of Ireland. I changed it back as I think having the whole thing as a unit is less confusing in the context. However if others think just having the 'island of Ireland' form is fine I'm happy to go along with that. Dmcq (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Could we consider a change of this Republic of Ireland page name (as you say it's a description and not the name).
Would "Ireland (republic of)" work and meet naming guidance? I have been told (republic of) Ireland does not meet guidlines. I don't think the current naming works as outlined in many places on the excellent page itself.
Sorry this is likely a very noob question, what do you mean by "Ireland and use a dab" "a dab" is a dance move in Ireland and the UK. I suspect you are referring to some form of punctuation. Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Got it, disambiguation is abbreviated to DAB/dab. I understood the concept of disambiguation but hadn't understood the shorthand for that DAB/dab. The purpose of my suggestion for the title change is to disambiguate, is this the wrong chat to discuss my suggestion of Ireland (Republic of)/Ireland (republic of) as a less ambiguous term of reference?
I'm trying to capture the name of the country of Ireland as defined in the constitution and the common usage of the definition (of the type of)political structure of the country, (it is a republic as established by the republic of Ireland Act 1948).
Of course there has been no referendum to change the name as defined in the constitution 1937 Ireland/Éire. I think since FIFA decreed in 1953 that the soccer team of Ireland should be known as The Republic of Ireland many people globally think that is the name of the country. You only have to read the excellent wiki about the Republic of Ireland to then know that the term is wrong. This seem like such a logic flaw that I struggle with it.
I would like some feedback on my Ireland (Republic of) suggestion or a pointer on where to discuss it. Thanks so much for your time. Eimhin de Róiste (talk) 05:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi all! I want to update the figures in the Demographics section.
Current paragraph: At the time of the 2011 census, the number of non-Irish nationals was recorded at 544,357, comprising 12% of the total population. This is nearly 2.5 times the number of non-Irish nationals recorded in the 2002 census (224,261), when the question of nationality was asked for the first time. The five largest non-national cohorts were Polish (122,585), UK (112,259), Lithuanian (36,683), Latvian (20,593) and Nigerian (17,642) respectively.[156]
Suggested edit: At the time of the 2016 census, the number of non-Irish nationals was recorded at 535,475. This represents a 2% decrease from the 2011 census figure of 544,357. The five largest sources of non-Irish nationals were Poland (122,515), the UK (103,113), Lithuania (36,552), Romania (29,186) and Latvia (19,933) respectively. Compared with 2011, the number of UK, Polish, Lithuanian and Latvian nationals fell. There were four new additions to the top ten largest non-Irish nationalities in 2016: Brazilian (13,640), Spanish (12,112), Italian (11,732), and French (11,661). --Magentareader (talk) 12:25, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Change "Éire pronunciation" as it is wrong. Its correct pronunciation sounds something like this "https://vocaroo.com/i/s1to1QG4wZ60". The current pronunciation sounds like "Asia" when in reality it sounds like "Aira" JustASaltyNinja (talk) 21:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
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Dear Sir or Madam, Can you please remove all references in Wikipedia to 'The Republic of Ireland' as this is not and never has been the name of Ireland.
This is a quote from your own article: "Following a national plebiscite in July 1937, the new Constitution of Ireland (Bunreacht na hÉireann) came into force on 29 December 1937. This replaced the Constitution of the Irish Free State and called the state Ireland, or Éire in Irish".
The only reason such a false name exists is because the British insisted on passing a law dictating what Ireland should be called. This abomination resulted in british people being brainwashed into believing that this was the name of Ireland.
Also, Does Wikipedia refer to all the republics of world in this manner, e.g. is France referred to as The Republic of France or Germany as The Republic of Germany? If not why pick out Ireland for this treatment?
I trust that you will respect the 'Will' of the Irish people and call their country by it's correct name. Thank you James McErlain [details removed]84.203.62.127 (talk) 00:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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Add Category:Member states of the United Nations to this page
Source: http://www.un.org/en/member-states/#gotoI Gibbon (talk) 19:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Instead of "This article is about the sovereign state. For related topics, see Ireland (disambiguation).', we use, 'This article is about the sovereign state. For the island of Ireland, see Ireland (Island). For Northern Ireland, a part of the island of Ireland which borders the Republic of Ireland and is under the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, a separate sovereign state, see Northern Ireland. For other topics, see Ireland (Disambiguation). Dannytellurian (talk) 12:52, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
In the Name section Replace As well as "Ireland", "Éire" or "the Republic of Ireland", the state is also referred to as "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South". with As well as "Ireland", "Éire" or "the Republic of Ireland", the state is also erroneously, or casually referred to as "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South".
by adding "erroneously, or casually"
This sentence is regularly used to provide false authority for referring to the state as "Southern Ireland" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.129.84.38 (talk) 20:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Is Irish Free State still a common name too? Eire is on your list there. Where do we end it! Leprechaun Land?
There is a link to an audio file with "Eire" pronunciation. But it is wrong. Completely wrong! --62.18.205.106 (talk) 15:06, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
I speak the language, and to me it sounds like a Japanese interpretation of the word. That's how far off this is. Mike Galvin (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
The IPP was formed by Isaac Butt rather than Charles Stewart Parnell, yet in this article the latter is credited with its creation in one of the sidebars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.141.217.81 (talk) 11:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, why are the provinces not even mentioned? --Doradus (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Above appears in the article. Doubtless, it echoes tonnes of sources. All, unfortunately, incorrect. You can readily find sources that will confirm that no such thing happened. The Irish government didn’t declare the state a republic in 1949 at all. The Irish government regarded the state as already being a republic. Is there an appetite to correct a common misconception? User talk:Seor, what do you think? User: FrenchMalawi.
The interpretation of laws must be informed (if possible) by the debates that led to them. I found the most relevant debates for the Republic of Ireland Act linked from this page, where the act is summarised using the kind of nuanced language I have in mind, as follows:
The debates can be found here. Here are some relevant parts of the Taoiseach's introductory speech:
So far, the speech supports the idea that the 1948 act declared Ireland a republic. However, it goes on:
This says rather clearly that Ireland had already been declared a republic earlier, but that at least internationally its status as such was in doubt because for international relations – crucial for questions of sovereignty – the British monarch still had functions normally reserved for a head of state. He went on to explain that there was doubt as to who was the head of state of Ireland (the President or the King). He even quotes from a 1945 Dáil debate:
The Taoiseach (predecessor of the one whose speech I am quoting) then explained the situation before the Republic of Ireland as follows:
Another earlier Taoiseach quotation in the speech is as follows:
Later, the speech explains the motivation of the precise wording "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland":
The following contributions by others, including the opposition, make clear that they also understood the Bill as declaring that Ireland was a republic. For instance:
Based on all this, I have come to the following conclusion for myself:
Based on this, I think it would be most appropriate to say something like this: "In 1949, it was declared that Ireland was a republic." (Without the emphasis, obviously.) Hans Adler 12:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Hans Adler. DMCQ and Moxy, I am of course very happy to provide secondary sources for the minor changes to the article that I have suggested.
(1) I suggested that the article say: “[The Irish Free State] eliminated the British king from its Constitution in 1936.” A source that backs that up is “AN AMBIGUOUS OFFICE? THE POSITION OF HEAD OF STATE IN THE IRISH CONSTITUTION; JOHN COAKLEY; Irish Jurist; Irish Jurist; New Series, Vol. 48, 2012 pp 43-70. It includes QUOTE: “Two important Acts redefined the relationship between the State and the King. The first, the Constitution (Amendment No. 27) Act, which went through all stages in the Dail on 11 December 1936, terminated any role for the Crown in the domestic affairs of the Free State and removed all references to the functions of the Governor-General (whose last official act was, indeed, to sign this bill into law the same day) but left space for the Government, for purposes of international affairs to avail of any “organ” used by the other dominions. The second, the Executive Authority (External Relations) Act, enacted the following day and signed by the Ceann Comhairle made provision for the King to “act on behalf of the Irish Free State”, on the advice of the government “for the purposes of the appointment of diplomatic and consular representatives and the conclusion of international agreements.” In line with de Valera’s earlier thinking on the place of the King in the Constitution, then, this matter was now resolved: provision for the King would be made only in legislation, not in the State’s basic law.” Is that source clear enough! It is explaining that the King was taken out of the Constitution - ‘eliminated’ was the word I’d used. An alternative analogous word is fine by me too if preferred. Is anyone seriously disagreeing that that’s not correct?
(2) Next, I need to defend my suggestion of adding the sentence “A republican constitution was passed in 1937 changing the state’s name to "Ireland" and providing for an elected non-executive president as head of state.” The only bit that is new that I’ve suggested is that it is called a “republican constitution”. The rest of the wording about the change to the state’s name and it having an elected non-executive president is already in the article. So here “A Federal Republic: Australia's Constitutional System of Government” By Brian Galligan, Cambridge University Press page 122, QUOTE: “After the French Revolution the constitution for France’s First Republic was passed by referendum, as was Eire’s republican constitution in 1937 after that country finally won independence from Britain” That’s an impartial source clearly describing the Irish constitution of 1937 as a republican one. I’m sure dozens of other sources in a similar vein could be dug out too. Again, are any of the editors here suggesting that it wasn’t a republican constitution? Where is the objection to this sentence!
(3) Next, I suggested the sentence “Ireland severed its last ties with the Commonwealth in 1949”. Here’s a source for that too - “From War to Neutrality: Anglo-Irish Relations, 1921-1950, G. Boyce, British Journal of International Studies, Vol. 5, No. 1 (Apr., 1979), pp. 15-36, QUOTE: “There was little to choose between Sir James Craig’s now notorious statement “a Protestant Parliament for a Protestant people” and de Valera’s nearly forgotten declaration “We are a Catholic nation”: the drive towards more radical independence between 1921 and 1938 finally completed by Costello’s government’s decision in 1948 to sever the last links with the Commonwealth were hardly compatible with Irish unity.” Is anyone suggesting Ireland still had a connection with the Commonwealth after 1949? Ireland head used the King in appointing ambassadors until then. But the repeal of the External Relations Act saw that link severed. It was the last link. Again, is anyone disagreeing with the accuracy of teh sentence I’ve suggested?
(-) Overall, what I’ve suggested is hardly radical. Very modest indeed. It’s just about eliminating a couple of inaccuracies from the lede. Thanks Hans Adler for the words of support. Moxy/DMCQ, what are the objections to the minor changes? Perhaps you can elaborate on why you think the existing wording is better if the above sources haven’t persuaded you? Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 01:01, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
… when a new constitution was adopted, in which the state was named "Ireland" and in all essentials became a republic, declared ″sovereign″ and ″democratic″, and with constitutional authority derived from the people. The actual word ″republic″ that had been deliberately omitted from the Constitution by its framer, was finally employed in the Republic of Ireland Act 1948.
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There's more from Chubb, including why de Valera deliberately omitted the word, which Chubb gives in de Valera's own words, that you can go into in the rest of the article. Find more scholars. Improve. Edit. Uncle G (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
The Irish government didn’t declare the state a republic in 1949 at all. The Irish government regarded the state as already being a republic. Is there an appetite to correct a common misconception?" regardless of whether they declared it or not there is a huge difference between declaring a republic and actually being one. No doubt many such as de Valera felt that Ireland was a republic since the 1916 declaration but that doesn't mean that it was. There are many people in the world in denial over actually political reality just like Sinn Fein to this day being unable to say Northern Ireland. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist because it does in political reality. In regards to this issue the republic didn't exist in political reality until the 1948 act. Mabuska (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
in all essentials". In all essentials is ambiguous and it doesn;t state that it actually became so. It just implies that it basically acted like one but officially was not. Thus the source is redundant. Talk about misreading and misrepresenting sources. Mabuska (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Manuska, in case it’s helpful, ,this is the wording (contained in the thread further up) that we are specifically discussing including: “’The state was created as the Irish Free State in 1922 as a result of the Anglo-Irish Treaty. It was established as a Dominion within the British Commonwealth of Nations. It eliminated the British king from its Constitution in 1936. A republican constitution was passed in 1937 changing the state’s name to "Ireland" and providing for an elected non-executive president as head of state. Ireland severed its last ties with the Commonwealth in 1949.” Again, let us know your specific thoughts on anything in that which you disagree with or want to suggest alternatives etc. Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 01:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
in all essentialsstated by Chubb is hardly the stuff of concrete evidence to back up an argument that it made it political reality. Is only suggests that it acted like a republic but was not officially one. Better wording could be proposed that takes that into account. Otherwise that source isn't good enough unless a RfC or the reliable sources noticeboard says so. Mabuska (talk) 12:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
"in all essentials"with the quotation marks. Mabuska (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
User:Mabuska (1) I have not objection to ‘removed’ - that’s absolutely fine; (2) list v prose, maybe you are right there but the same problem is in the current text - would you like to take the time to suggest better language? I’m all ears. (3) “the fact” you refer to is not a fact! See discussion above. Indeed, it’s that point which kicked the whole discussion off. Irish law does not accept that Ireland became a republic in 1949 or that the Republic of Ireland Act made it so (see sources above too). But really, please suggest some new language for us to consider if you don’t like mine. We all agree that there are shortcomings in the current language. Same goes for you on that point User:Dmcq. It’s tiresome and hard work trying to improve an article where there are objections without suggestions... So suggestions that are new wording welcome! Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 19:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
When did Ireland legally become a republic? This is a question of law so we must look at the law. Well, United Kingdom law is very clear. United Kingdom law says that it happened in 1949. This is expressly set out in the Ireland Act 1949. In that Act it is provided that “It is hereby recognized and declared that the part of Ireland heretofore known as Eire ceased, as from the eighteenth day of April, nineteen hundred and forty-nine, to be part of His Majesty’s dominions.” So there is no doubt whatsoever that insofar as United Kingdom law is concerned, Ireland became a republic in 1949. Should we stop there? Should we accept that as the final answer and not consider anything else? Well, I don’t think so. The question, of course, is about Ireland so it makes sense that we also have to look at what Irish law says too. So, here goes, let’s look at Irish law:
1. Irish law removed the British king from its constitution in 1936. A secondary source that backs that up is “AN AMBIGUOUS OFFICE? THE POSITION OF HEAD OF STATE IN THE IRISH CONSTITUTION; JOHN COAKLEY; Irish Jurist; Irish Jurist; New Series, Vol. 48, 2012 pp 43-70. It includes QUOTE: “Two important Acts redefined the relationship between the State and the King. The first, the [Irish] Constitution (Amendment No. 27) Act, which went through all stages in the Dail on 11 December 1936, terminated any role for the Crown in the domestic affairs of the Free State and removed all references to the functions of the Governor-General (whose last official act was, indeed, to sign this bill into law the same day) but left space for the Government, for purposes of international affairs to avail of any “organ” used by the other dominions. The second, the [Irish] Executive Authority (External Relations) Act, enacted the following day and signed by the Ceann Comhairle made provision for the King to “act on behalf of the Irish Free State”, on the advice of the government “for the purposes of the appointment of diplomatic and consular representatives and the conclusion of international agreements.” In line with de Valera’s earlier thinking on the place of the King in the Constitution, then, this matter was now resolved: provision for the King would be made only in legislation, not in the State’s basic law.” This is very clearly explaining that under Irish law teh King was taken out of the Constitution in 1936; long, long before 1949.
2. Internationally, the constitution of the Ireland is often described as a republican one. Here is another source describing it in those terms: “A Federal Republic: Australia's Constitutional System of Government” By Brian Galligan, Cambridge University Press page 122, QUOTE: “After the French Revolution the constitution for France’s First Republic was passed by referendum, as was Eire’s republican constitution in 1937 after that country finally won independence from Britain” That’s an impartial source clearly describing the Irish constitution of 1937 as a republican one.
3. Am I the only one who says that Irish law and United Kingdom law do not agree on when Ireland became a republic? No, of course I am not. There are secondary sources explaining that Irish and United Kingdom law do not agree on the point. Here is a secondary source in that vein: “In the ast thirty years, there have been three distinct experiments in the ordering of Anglo-Irish relations. Two of them have failed. The first was the experiment of Commonwealth membership embodied in the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 in which the status of the Irish Free State was specifically associated with that of the senior dominion, Canada, and generally with that of oversea dominions. That experiment MAY BE SAID TO HAVE COME TO AN END IN 1936-37 when the External Relations Act was passed and the new Irish constitution enacted with the sanction of popular approval in a plebiscite....THEN FROM 1936-49...EIRE OWED NO ALLIEGANCE TO THE CROWN AND WAS NOT, IN THE IRISH VIEW, A MEMBER OF THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS, BUT A STATE WHOSE ASSOCIATION WITH IT FROM WITHOUT was symbolized by the King’s signature to the letters of appointment of Irish representatives to foreign countries.” Ireland: The Republic Outside the Commonwealth by Nicholas Mansergh, International Affairs (Royal Institute of International Affairs 1944-), Vol. 28, No. 3 (Jul., 1952), pp. 277-291, Published by: Oxford University Press on behalf of the Royal Institute of International Affairs. [My EMPHASIS is added in parts of the above quote].
CONCLUSIONS: Secondary sources support the view that Irish law regarded Ireland as already having left the Commonwealth well before 1949. The British law view conflicts with that. There is a conflict of laws. One can properly say that as a matter of United Kingdom law Ireland left the Commonwealth in 1949. One cannot say the same thing as a matter of Irish law which holds that Ireland left the Commonwealth in 1936-1937. This is nothing new that’s being raised by me here. I have never suggested that either view must be accepted as correct. We on Wiki, simply have to report these historical matters, damn complicated though they may be. I’m sure we can all agree that law is often not simple. And simply saying that Ireland left the Commonwealth in 1949 doesn’t actually address that the position is more complicated than that. Setting out the above here too, so all editors can refer to relevant sources. Frenchmalawi (talk) 13:45, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
I have raised this issue at Wiki_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#When_did_Ireland_become_a_republic?. It is clear there is a broader campaign by Frenchmalawi to impose their OR and POV on this issue and a concensus needs to be agreed for it or rejecting it. Mabuska (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Recently I made some updates to the "Ahmadiyya in the Republic of Ireland" page and after pursuing this page, the Ireland page, it has come to my attention that potentially the religion section needs more information, especially about non-Christian religions, as Ireland is a country of nearly 5 million people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sparkling peach (talk • contribs) 18:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
In the section 'Name', the article says:
As well as "Ireland", "Éire" or "the Republic of Ireland", the state is also referred to as "the Republic", "Southern Ireland" or "the South".
We need some text to say that the usage "Southern Ireland" is generally considered inappropriate (as well as inaccurate – the most northerly part of the island (Inisowen) is in the Republic, and misleading – Irish people will think you mean Waterford, Cork and Kerry). But to do so would need a supporting citation. Anyone? --Red King (talk) 23:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
The page should be moved to Ireland (country), because that is its official (constitutional) name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:8100:3974:4028:B84A:9907:9F7:AEBD (talk) 13:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Wiki can stuff their requests for funding until "Republic of Ireland" is moved to "Ireland" and "Ireland" is moved to "Island of Ireland"~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.236.246 (talk) 20:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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