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Involved and closing discussions

Non-administrators closing discussions and assessing consensus are held to the same standards; editors closing such discussions should not have been involved in the discussion itself or related disputes.

Was the above language always here? Was there an RfC I missed? I didn't check. But it contradicts WP:RFC, which says if consensus is undoubtedly clear, even an involved editor may summarize the discussion (and similar elsewhere).

I also object to the link to WP:NAC which is an essay that has repeatedly been denied promotion to a guideline.

Generally, I don't think the Admin policy should cover non-admin actions, and I don't think WP:INVOLVED applies to closing RFCs, nor do I think closing an RfC is an Admin action, and so closing RFCs should not be mention in Admin policy.

I'd support removing that paragraph. Levivich (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

    I just looked and see this was added in March 2023 based on discussion with 3 editors at WT:Administrators/Archive 23#WP:INVOLVED - only admins?. I'd be inclined to remove it and say it needs an RfC as a major policy change, but I won't do it unilaterally. Levivich (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
    One of the reasons I supported adding it was that editors argued that because they weren't administrators they could close discussions that they had participated in. I think we need some wording making it clear that editors shouldn't be closing discussions that they are genuinely involved in, but if you are concerned that the wording as currently written is too broad I wouldn't object to tightening it. BilledMammal (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
      I think I object to admin policy covering discussion closures at all, as that's not part of the toolkit. WP:RFC already covers "involved" closures, and any clarification should happen there. Levivich (talk) 17:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Three responses:

    1) Non-admins should be reminded to not be involved while closing (even if there is the times like with anything, it does not matter);
    3) We don't need another vocabulary to talk about involved closing, such would be counterproductive;
    2) Administration of this site involves many actions, by design some of which, one does not need extra permissions, since the site to the extent possible is suppose to be self-administered by all users. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
      1) Not just "non-admins," all editors, and that reminder is in WP:RFC
      2) OK (Not sure if #2 is in response to my comment at WT:AN about coming up with a new word? I was talking about for the RFC appeal template. Otherwise I agree with you about generally avoiding new vocab words.)
      3) WP:ADMIN isn't about the administration of the website generally, it's very specifically about the admin user group. Levivich (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the scope of this page is policy for Wiki editors who have been granted the technical ability to perform certain special actions on the English Wikipedia. Since evaluating the outcome of a discussion is not usually a role dependent on having administrative privileges (*), general guidance for evaluators is more suitable for a page specifically regarding this task, such as Wikipedia:Closing discussions § Closure procedure.

(*) Processes where the evaluator is expected to implement the result and where this may require administrative privileges are an exception. I think the best way to avoid duplication of guidance is to cover this within guidance for evaluating discussion outcomes, and point to this from the administrator policy. isaacl (talk) 17:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

John Koetsier Page

I am trying to retrieve an article about John Koetsier, who is a BLPs. The article had citations from Adweek, Forbes, and MarTech, Inc. I'd like to know why the article was deleted. I spent a lot of time collecting and formatting what I believed to be an authentic representation of this journalist and his work. JoeK2033 (talk) 19:12, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  • This is the wrong venue, but it's here, so I will try to help. It was Speedy Deleted under A7, meaning the article made no real claim of notability that would allow inclusion. Reading through the article, I would say that the deletion was valid. I would also note that you were already blocked for promotional edits to a draft, by Vanamonde93 in November, meaning there is a concern about your editing re: promotional BLPs. You might want to bone up on the actual policies here before you attempt to resurrect an article that was deleted for similar reasons your block is for, Draft:James Naleski, which has an interesting sock farm in it's history.... Additionally, you already filed to have it undeleted [1] so it appears you are forum shopping. Dennis Brown 00:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Afarin Kids TV Page

I created this page (Afarin Kids TV) some time ago, which is dedicated to a famous television channel in Iraqi Kurdistan, and I think I had put the necessary sources to keep the article and worth staying, but unfortunately someone deleted the article and put protection from recreate it.

So I ask you to remove it from the blacklist and allow me to recreate it, because I think if you make a little follow-up will prove that it is not worth to deleting and worth to recreate it. Shahrwzi (talk) 07:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

    Hey @Shahrwzi. I'd suggest creating a draft via the article wizard, then submitting the draft by hitting the blue "submit" button. An experienced reviewer will be along to give it feedback. If it passes that feedback, then it will be unblacklisted. Please make sure to include citations to several reliable sources such as newspapers and books, to give it the best chance of passing WP:GNG. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Contacting Administrators

I've searched through a lot of pages to figure out where to post this, which exemplifies the basic problem. I've never found a way to contact an administrator. It's been almost as hard to find a place to raise the issue; all the other admin pages are specific. This seems to be the place to start.

There are times when the best way to handle something is to ask an administrator for advice, especially if the formal process might get someone needlessly in trouble.

There are obviously technical problems with how to set up contacting administrators because no one administrator should be burdened by the job, several admins and the question goes to all of them, and a "Contact Administrator" link is going to be abused.

The last could be simplified by narrowing those who can ask down to people with a fair amount of experience with the assumption they aren't asking something trivial. But that leads to an implementation problem: how do you tell you. I don't know how to sort who has to deal with requests for information. Even if there's a group that specializes you still have the problem of the question going to multiple people.

Obviously I've run into something specific but I've skimmed enough talk pages to know that sometimes editors feel backed into a corner and now and then could use some help. From discussing how to handle to reassurance they're doing the right thing, even a bit of wordsmithing, a handful of admins could make editors jobs much easier.Kovar (talk) 03:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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