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Can someone explain how adding Vargas' nationality breaks the rules? Bbb23 claims that there was consensus to not include his nationality, but when I asked him to point it out, he childishly refused. I dug around on the talk page's history and archives and only found some discussion of it in 2013 (which was at that time, oddly enough, "Filipino-American"). Even if there was, consensus can change. But there doesn't seem to be any on his nationality. This user's only reason for reverting my edit was calling it a "biased change" (Is it a rule that editors can't make "biased changes" even if they're truthful? Show me that rule if it exists.) and he just didn't like it. So what is wrong with calling him Filipino since he is? THE DIAZ talk • contribs 15:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
[moving this to the article talk page from my talk page where it did not belong.]
Well, I've spent a lot of time digging around for any sort of consensus relating to his nationality, but I've found nothing. Please stop beating around the bush. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 13:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@Tvoz: "BLPs endeavor to describe subjects in a manner consistent with how they describe themselves." Is that an actual rule? Because I'd actually love to see it. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 18:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
On nationality in the first line, there certainly seems to be an agenda by Wikipedia people watching this page. He is Filipino. It's that simple. He may gain US citizenship eventually but at this point that is what he would be prior to receiving official status. Even people with Green Cards are not called Americans until they officially take an oath. Nationality status is not something chosen by an individual. As one person posting mentioned, this is quite obvious and 'Filipino' should be in that first line. If Wikipedia is going to allow people to apply their socio-political agendas on these boards, there really is a lot that can change on pretty much ever single page. Wikipedia should be only about facts, not preferences. NaturalEquality (talk) 09:44, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
If you are broadening the understanding of nationality yourself, you have literally changed the planet because there are probably a hundred million people or more living in other nations who speak the local language and live and work among the locals and have done so for decades and decades, many all their lives, yet they do not have nationality status in those nations. They are not considered locals and if they were to use the nationality of the nation they live in to describe themselves, they would be laughed at. There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lived abroad for decades as well in places like the Philippines yet they do not identify themselves as American-Filipinos and the locals do not identify them as so either. Vargas is not an American. He has no papers of any sort given to him under honest circumstances by the government that identify him as being one. If your interpretation of nationality is in any way correct, the entire Wikipedia website needs to be re-edited to identify millions of people as having new national identification. Please prove your point here about his nationality instead of leaving some vague reference of "narrow/limited". Otherwise, changes are needed to this page and other pages. NaturalEquality (talk) 23:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I've reverted the most recent attempt by The Diaz to make edits identifying Vargas as Filipino (in reality, edits intended to erase Vargas's identity as American). It should be obvious by now that this sort of edit will require consensus on the talk page first. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:27, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Here is information about his life in America. Well, for what it is worth here is the link to the details at the NY Times. NaturalEquality (talk) 09:45, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the first sentence in the lead section acknowledge his Filipino nationality/citizenship by saying: "Jose Antonio Vargas (born February 3, 1981) is a Filipino journalist, filmmaker, and immigration rights activist." or not? THE DIAZ talk • contribs 01:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident. So that means "Philippine-Phillipino-American". I think Philipino is an apt and just identifier for the Subject. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 21:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
@Lawrencekhoo: The only mention of context in WP:BLPLEAD is: "3. Context (location or nationality);" (location would be "in the United States", nationality would be "American"). The only mention of notability relating to nationality is "…the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.". Vargas is notable for being a Filipino illegal alien living in the United States. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 07:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
@Snow Rise: While I thank you for your vote, the only thing that seems to be keeping you from voting yes is his organization. Vargas isn't even considered a U.S. national. He is an only illegal alien and the country that considers him a citizen (and a national) is the Philippines. About your skepticism which I assume is because of his organization, you admitted that he wasn't an American citizen and you admitted that he is even notable for not being American. But what I'm hearing is that you don't want his nationality said because of him owning an organization that wants to redefine "what it means to be an American". Define American is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline and it should not be a factor in this because Wiki is not a soapbox or means of promotion. His article isn't meant to advocate for or against him nor is it meant to promote any pro-illegal immigrant propaganda or the false claim that he is American or stir any doubt that he is Filipino. I can also provide many sources that call him Filipino at request if you need. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 16:37, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
@North8000: "But making a big point of his technical nationality, and in the most prominent place in the article is not encyclopedic and is biased in the other direction."
How?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! THE DIAZ talk • contribs 22:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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