how do i add on a picture to wikipedia? im not very sureBe happy 05:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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OK, now let's look at this:
Wiki users choose to stay anonymous." ...
Stating an opinion as a fact is POV, period. -- Rotem Dan 10:38 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
OK, I understand, disclaimers present a "status quo opinion" (whatever that is, it is POV), not a fact. From lurking a bit on the Mailing list, I am seeing this hypocritical double standard emerging over the whole concept of NPOV (censorship, etc.). Well, frankly, I don't care, since the articles are GFDL (copyleft) I can reuse them wherever I want. The current administration board and policies can go to hell. (However, that certainly doesn't give me an extra incentive to work on the project).
By the way, consider moving these disclaimers to the meta-wikipedia, they don't serve a good example of NPOV on the main site -- Rotem Dan 12:02 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I've moved the following link out of the article. I don't think this is similar enough to be listed in the 'similar projects' section. If we did that, we'd be listing everything that is in the list of encyclopedias. Angela. 06:30, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I suggest that someone edits the section "Quality of Information" under "Summary of Strengths ..." as the link to the Boston Herald article no longer seems to work. The Boston Herald site offers only the opening couple of sentences from the article and states that the article has been archived. The link available on the site to retrieve the article from their archive fails to do so! Chris (new reader) 12:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
From where can I obtain a wikipedia mini-logo similar to http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SisterSites? 81.203.105.99
Would someone please add "Maori" to the list? :robinp 01:25, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
wikipedia:contact us has contact info. The community portal is for current contributors. Welcome, newcomers is for newbies. Wiki has factual info, and the rest is just a hotch-potch. I think it's worth orphaning and redirecting this at some point. Martin 00:44, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Quoting from the article page: The current incarnation of Wikipedia was begun on January 15, 2001 by founders Jimmy Wales, Larry Sanger, and a few enthusiastic English-language collaborators.
What is meant by "The current incarnation"? Were there previous incarnations? If so, I see no indication of it on History of Wiki. Seems to be unnecessarily confusing, if not outright wrong. I'm going to be bold and change it. -Rholton 19:46, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Looking at the page history for this page, almost all of it is vandalisms and reverts. Virtually all of the remaining legitimate edits were done by sysops. Would anyone object to semi-permanently protecting this page? →Raul654 07:34, Jun 6, 2004 (UTC)
--Jew 10:28, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
To reopen the suggestion in the above section. Should this page be protected? The edit history is an extensive list of anonymous vandalism. I have the page on my Watchlist, and it's active almost every day. Furthermore, the page is linked to at the bottom of every page; other high-traffic pages, such as Wiki: Copyrights are protected; I see no reason for this one to be excluded. --Slowking Man 06:42, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
Speaking as a non-sysop, I can say that I nevertheless support protecting this page. I have to agree with Slowking Mans statement that this page is too often vandalised, and when people see this vandalism on our About-page it will definitely influence their opinion of the wiki concept in an unfavourable direction. →Iñgōlemo← talk 03:36, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)
To bring this up again: I think this page should be protected. As a new editor but longtime user of the site, the first thing I saw on the page was "im hacking u suckers". There is a little part of me that dies with every protected page, but new users on high-traffic pages shouldn't get that or something equally as inane. I didn't expect that page to be unprotected, since it is not an article. I think it really does belong to the framework of the site, being linked to from every (is it?) page. Just my $0.02.
As a non sysop, I'm also for protecting this page. Like my friend above, I didn't expect this page to be unprotected. Cliffb 22:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
A more holistic discussion has been started at Wiki talk:Welcoming committee. Interested editors may wish to add their opinions there. Niteowlneils 16:20, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Do you know about http://hallencyclopedia.com/ ?
they make full copy wikipedia information, only totally change style and say "© 2004 Hall Encyclopedia.com - All rights reserved Advertise Here!" Ilya K 16:48, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I researched the last 500 edits, between now and February, and discovered a number of remarkable statistics:
In short 96% of this page's history consists of vandalism and reverts. Three of the major edits made by non-admins were to add language links, one was to update size and usage statistics, and the fifth was to tweak a category. This page is hardly being edited at all.
I don't think that more restrictive editing methods, such as submitting a new version for review on another page, is too high a price to pay. After all, this is linked to from every page in the entire site. Furthermore, many other websites that praise wikipedia may include links here rather than/as well as to the main page. What will people think when they hear all about how great wikipedia is, and then follow the link and see '[expletive] [genital]'? It will shatter their confidence, and they'll keep using lokipedias. I'd hate to see that happen just so we can keep editing this page (literally!) three times a month. →Iñgōlemo← talk 06:48, 2005 May 10 (UTC)
There has been considerable discussion about the negative publicity and deteriorating reputation of Wikipedia in some reputable quarters. Part of this (see WP:VP) has been blamed upon this page failing to be clear as to an introduction to Wikipedia for newcomers, and how to use and rely upon it:
user:Ingoolemo has commented in a different context above that:
I am aware that full reworking of major pages is unusual and often reverted. In this case I have thought hard and believe from the consensus of debate, it's probably warranted and necessary. I've restructured it to be more beneficial to a newcomer reader in explaining the basics, as follows:
Please bring discussion here or improve the drafted version, rather than ignore the issue.
FT2 15:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
it has serious flaws. The obvious drawback is vandalism. It is odd indeed that a solution to this problem can be easily solved by requiring users to log in order to have access to editing features but is not done. I don't see how this requirement would be against the concept of wiki. Registering is easy, one time only and does not require any identifiable information. Not even an e-mail address. And anybody can register. It is important to realize that users who edits needs to be held accountable. If a user is positively identified as a vandal, that user should be banned from the site. It is only fair to genuine users of this site. If this is done, vandalism on wikipedia will be a thing of the past. (Free Citizen 04:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)).
I concur that Wiki has some serious flaws, the most notable of which I've experienced is an extremely serious group bias issue. More specifically, articles that are irrelevant but non-offensive remain intact, but articles that are far more relevant but also more controversial (such as Male Unbifurcated Undergarments and Men's Fashion Freedom) get nixed. In summary, Wiki works for some topics, but grossly violates objective/reality rules for others. Because of this serious flaw, Wiki will never be a true encyclopedia, as many claim. Rather, it has, by its own design, relegated itself to being a "Pretty good repository of socially acceptable information."
True encyclopedias have heavily codified rules which govern what information is to be included, and which is to be excluded. These rules remove the personal bias of the caretakers of the encyclopedia and both protect the inclusion of relevant, but personally distasteful material, while ensuring the exclusion of material that's non-relevant except perhaps to a few individuals. By contrast, Wiki's structure emphasizes personal tastes over relevancy, and strongly favors articles which never offend anyone's sensibilities, while heavily penalizing articles which even a few percent of Wikipedians find distasteful (even though they're squeaky clean from an objective perspective).
Wiki will never become what it claims to be until a significant change is made in the way articles are considered for deletion. Raw numbers of responses (the current method) is just grossly off-target. Even a percentage vote is seriously off target, as many topics which most of society would rather not hear about are nevertheless highly relevant to that society. Obesity is one such topic.
It is for these reasons that managers of encyclopedic content have never allowed themselves to slip into the trap of "majority rules." Instead, highly objective individuals are selected by board members, as proven by history (and not by popularity, as with Wiki admins), and given the responsibility of using well-defined rules to ensure content is relevant, rules which are quite capable of circumventing majority rule.
Good luck, Wiki. While I applaud your effort, and note your effectiveness for non-controversial topics, you'll never rise to the mark of being an encyclopedia until you implement measures and controls to counter errant mass opinion and ensure objective relevancy measurement. And no, the number of Google hits doesn't cut the mustard! Dr1819 17:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
When one discovers that some nations have blocked a site like Wikipedia and not National Geographic or even the CIA World Factbook, one wonders why. Well, the question is easily answered when they look at the current issues concerning those nations that are published on Wiki English. Those articles are so lopsided either to the far right or far left that just reading it is nauseating. But the site is wiki so that shouldn't be a problem as all sides have equal access to make corrections right? Wrong! Take for an example when I made an effort to include a fact about the Great Wall of China as being the only man made object visible to the unaided eye on the moon. Just a minute later, someone reverts back the whole article to its previous form. Upon further investigation on the History Page, that same someone have consistently reverted every edit made recently. This someone is a registered user but not an administrator. So, who appointed them guardians of written articles? Further browsing suggest that this same someone has an agenda about what message the article should convey. Considering the amount of cleverly worded subject-bashing contained in the article, one would draw the conclusion that the article has become a mouthpiece for someone's ideology or human rights stance. This is a pity as wikipedia is beginning to gain worldwide recognition as a reliable and useful source of reference. On par even with Britannica or Encarta. For the moment it may be true for subjects on Science, History and the Arts but certainly not for Current Issues or Events. I would suggest that the foundation rethink the guidelines set forth on how the site is to be used if wikipedia is to be a respectable resource in all areas. (Free Citizen 05:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)).
Okay, the fact about the Great Wall being visible from the moon is a myth. But it doesn't change my view about how articles at Wikipedia can be held hostage. (Free Citizen 11:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)).
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The About Wikipedia was the level 2 heading for the whole section. --Go for it! 20:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Edward D. Gillin Ph.D is Chief of Basic Food and Agricultural Statistics Se
WATF is the agricultural trade flow presentation the FAO Statistics Division http://www.fao.org/statistics
What is the correct action to take if one believes that a page has been taken over by a clique with a common non NPOV who are effectively enforcing that view to the exclusion of all others ? Springald 20:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, but I tried this, and it doesn't work. I've posted articles highly relevant to hundreds of thousands of users, only to have them hijacked or later deleted because less than ten people who didn't like the subject/content, and so vociferously campaigned against it that they were able to convince some hapless admin that it was time for deletion. This ridiculously lopsided approach smacks of the Salem Witchcraft trials, and has GOT to GO! But if Wiki wants to cling to a 15th Century approach... Well, the nice thing about the Internet is that while some communities are quite adept at fooling themselves into thinking they're "the heat," other communities are more objective, and see them as they are. It's for precisely this reason that Wiki, despite it's self-acclaimed importance, is not considered either a reputable or an objective resource for information among scientific communities. We simply do not tolerate this kind of bias. Sorry, folks, but current Wiki rules allow for gross amounts of bias. I'm hoping that those who actually control (rather than admin) Wiki will develope a more appropriate and objective means of editing content than the current paradigm allows. Dr1819 18:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Quick reply ... this version gets special note because it's basically, the universal version for all non-english speakers worldwide. There is a specialized german, french, swahili, russian, spanish... version, but for general "non english speakers" (especially if no wiki is available in their tongue), often the simple english is a good starting point. As such its a universal version in the sense that English, German, french etc are not, and is specially noted since users may look up their own language but won't otherwise spot it. FT2 (Talk) 20:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The main problem I have with giving Simple English special mention is that it is tiny. I don't know what the statistics are, but I would think that at the moment, the vast majority of visitors comes from countries where one of the languages with a bigger wiki than Simple English is spoken. So why should that visitor be directed towards Simple English if he can get more information in his/her mother tongue? -- Mystman666 (Talk) 12:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
One of Wikipedia's "key strengths" listed on the project page reads as follows-
The Western-centric bias found in many Western publications is significantly reduced on Wikipedia
I believe that publications of most regions, nations and cultures contain some bias related to their origin and / or intended audience.
This listed strength should be re-worded to reflect Wikipedia's spirit of consensus and neutrality.
Dlowell
I suppose this is the best place to ask, but how would one cite wikipedia as a source? It doesn't fit squarely into any of the MLA's categories, so I'm currently just using the CD-Rom encyclopedia format, replacing CDROM with www.wikipedia.com, and hoping for the best. As far as I know, a purely digital encyclopedia is a unique instance which has not yet been addressed by the MLA format designers. Anyone know more about it?Eoseth 07:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
most people when they first hear of wikipedia have these reservations:
and i see these points addressed nowhere on the main overview pages. thing is, wikipedia has very strict and good policies:
i would like to see the above three points mentioned prominently in the lead to show the people with a bad image of wikipedia that we do our utmost to be of "traditional quality or better".-- Alfakim -- talk 15:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
A few hours ago, I listed some minor corrections to be made, in great detail, because the page was editable by admins only and I didn't know that the protection would ever change. Now I can fix it myself, so I did so and deleted my description here. Art LaPella 05:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Justification: Several highly relevant articles (one mine, several belonging to others) that were deleted altogether after less than 10 people campaigned strongly against the articles. Question - since when do ten people (or less) and one admin outweight hundreds of thousands of people for whom a topic happens to be highly relevant? (no need to answer, as the true answer is very much self-evident)
Now, I realize how important it is to keep "personal bios" and the like off wikipedia, but why do people crack down so hard on topics like webcomics, viral videos, flash cartoons, and other internet memes?
From what I can see, every time someone posts an article about one of these topics, a neverending deletion battle starts.
Wiki simply questions the relevance of these issues to the rest of the world. What is and isn't important is a gray area for the admin as well as those of us who use wiki, but it's something you'll have to live with. If you have an issue you want to talk about, but fear it might get deleted, complete the article as well as you can, and make a note that some work might need to be done on the talk page. Work together with other people who might know something about your topic that they can add to your page. There are all sorts of ways to give useless information meaning. --TransNique 23:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I shortened the introduction, making it brief enough to fit in a Portal. My version of the introduction is a summary, echoing the article itself. The cross reference I included is the exact name of the article it goes to, which is my understanding of the way q.v.s are supposed to be. When I was doing a minor edit, there was a notice stating the article is too long. I personally think "see also" notices should be at the end of the article, to not overwhelm the reader. Here is the permanent link to my edit [1].--Chuck Marean 04:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
In this very long sentence: "These include automatic sections and subsections, automatic references and cross-references, image and table inclusion, indented and listed text, links ISBNs and math, as well as usual formatting elements and most world alphabets and common symbols," there seems to be a breakdown in the vicinity of "...listed text, links ISBNs and math, ..."
When you fix it, you might want to make the sentence shorter, or use bullet points, or ????. Lou Sander 23:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
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While Wikipedia articles generally attain a good standard after editing, it is important to note that fledgling, or less well monitored, articles may be susceptible to vandalism and insertion of false information, although this usually ceases to be as significant a problem as articles mature. Inappropriate edits are often noticed and corrected within a relatively short time on most articles
Need to put a "." at end of sentence.
Under "Summary of strengths, weaknesses and article quality in Wiki about/Archive 1", in subsection "Quality of information (Reliability of Wikipedia, Researching with Wikipedia)", the statement "Studies suggest that Wikipedia is broadly as reliable as Encyclopedia Brittanica, with similar error rates on established articles for both major and minor omissions and errors" is a weasel term - what studies were these? No reference is given, unless superscript [1] at the end of the paragraph is meant to serve this purpose. The link of superscript [1] refers back to this article, as far as I can see - a circular reference?
Under the "Disclaimer" section: "Reports have sometimes cited..." This is yet another weasel term - what reports? This article/page should be particularly well written, as not to serve as a bad example - note the possible irony: a badly written wikipedia article claiming that wikipedia contains well written articles...
Here it is: [2] it was done by IBM some time ago. I'll add it in now.--Planetary 20:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to say hi before i write is this where you can get answers i have a lot of questions please let me know.
Vickie
I just wanted to ask, how can we be sure as readers that the articles and everything in wikipedia are trustworthy?? does someone checks that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.197.98 (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
Not everything is, but most of it is. The whole community checks itself to constantly make improvements and check for errors.
I wanted to ask about the article as well. I just wrote a paper on the validity of Wikipedia and I used this article as my example. Where do you get all your information from, obviously there are over a hundred outside sources listed, but did you spend all of your time researching animal testing on all these different websites?Wiseeee 15:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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Should this statement be modified? "Some more boring, academic topics may not be covered as well on Wikipedia, while pop culture topics are covered in great depth." ... would seem to be POV. – Fred 15:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to change "Wikipedia is completely up-to-date" to "Wikipedia can be constantly updated", considering the size of Category:1911_Britannica_articles_needing_updates, Category:Articles_with_dead_external_links and the mother of all of them, Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating. We certainly arn't "completely up-to-date"! Otherwise, nice writing. 75.214.202.6 (really, User:JesseW/not logged in) 08:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Owing to the fact that I did not know where else to turn to, I must ask this question: How do I delete an inactive or repeated page?
--KnowledgeLord 09:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
{{db-g7}}
to the top of it. If you want a page in your userspace deleted, add {{db-owner}}
to it – you can do this regardless of whether anyone else has edited the page. If you find there are two pages about the same subject, merge the information from one into the other, and leave a redirect behind; no deletion is required. Articles shouldn't be deleted just because they are inactive; if you think an article should be deleted for some other reason, see Wiki: Articles for deletion, or Wiki: Miscellany for deletion for other sorts of pages – Qxz 08:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)There is a section in this article that says Encyclopedia Britanica. As this is unable to be corrected by an ordinary person, I am requesting this be fixed to say Encyclopedia Britannica, as that is the correct way of spelling it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.51.236.60 (talk) 11:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
A discussion on pronunciation is going on here 205.228.73.12 10:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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