articles For Deletion/Patrik Kincl

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Owen× ☎ 13:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrik Kincl

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Doesn't meet GNG or WP:NMMA, as refs are either his personal page or sports results Nswix (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts, and Czech Republic. Nswix (talk) 14:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Previously deleted at Wiki: Articles for deletion/Patrik kincl. —Cryptic 22:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I don't follow this sport, but he is famous in his country and from what I read, he is currently the best and most watched fighter on the Czech-Slovak scene. There are now reliable sources to pass GNG (see also cswiki). He is also author of a book. Imho it might be enough. FromCzech (talk) 10:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's currently a long way from meeting the English WP notability for MMA fighters, which is a top 10 world ranking. The sources on this WP consist solely of database entries and fight reports, nothing close to meeting WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. It appears he authored a self-published autobiography, which does not help the claim of notability. If you could show which references given in his Czech WP article meet this WP's notability criteria, it would be appreciated. Papaursa (talk) 18:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some sources: mmaservis.cz, remiza.cz, Deník.cz (1, 2). But if it's not enough because of WP:NMMA, I'm OK with that. FromCzech (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for responding. It's not just that he doesn't meet WP:NMMA but also because I don't think the sources represent significant independent coverage from reliable sources. I looked at the four sources you mentioned. The first is a bio at a Czech MMA website that has lots of MMA bios, with no indication of independent fact checking. It's basically a Czech MMA database. The second is a bio at a Czech sports site, which doesn't appear to be very neutral based on the section titled "Patrik Kincl -the birth of an MMA god". The third is about him signing his autobiography at a book store and the fourth is about the breakdown in negotiations about an OKTAGON promotion title fight. In my opinion, none of these represent the type of coverage I believe is required to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 23:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As I mentioned above my search didn't find significant independent coverage in multiple reliable sources. There are a lot of ghits, but almost all are fight announcements or results, MMA databases, or information from various promotions he's fought for. There's nothing that any pro fighter wouldn't have. If better sources are found, I would be willing to evaluate them (see WP:THREE) and reconsider my vote. Papaursa (talk) 20:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 (talk) 15:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I also know nothing about MMA, but kinda agree with the fact that his CZ Wikipedia page seems better! A few more coverage I discovered there are 2018, September 2021, November 2021, and 2022 – all of which are from Mladá fronta Dnes. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 12:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know about the CZ WP, but on the English one the same source counts as one reference, at best. The first reference given is an interview, the second is coverage of his loss for a KSW title, the fourth is an announcement of a fight cancellation, and the third is an announcement for a replacement fight for the one that was cancelled. This is pretty typical sports reporting that can be found for any fighter--nothing that shows particular notability. Papaursa (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 (talk) 17:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Has multiple articles that are not just based on his results and go over his career and life.