Open the table 'Sexagenary Cycle' (the preceding section), look for 44 in the first column (No) and obtain Fire Goat (丁未; dīng-wèi).
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There appears to be no such table. (unsigned)
At least a Start class.
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This article should be merged with Chinese astrology. ChongDae
It is fine existing as a separate article, as it is specific to it's title. Though the sexagesimal cycle is used in Chinese astrology, it is but one part. The Sexagesimal cycle is used for calendrical dates, but not necesarily always for Chinese astrology. I do not favour a merger. Dylanwhs 23:18, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Someone should add columns allowing for the Vietnamese pronuncications of these terms. Prouddemocrat 17:32, 11 July 2005 (EST)
Are these specifically associated with lunisolar calendars? If so, shouldn't the article link to that, at least as a "see also? -- Jmabel | Talk 22:58, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
Since this page is on the Chinese sexagenary cylce, I'm wondering why all the in-text romanizations after the first section seem to be using Japanese pronunciation of the characters. Could someone who can read the Chinese add Chinese pronunciations or replace the Japanese ones? Obviously stuff like "Nihon Shoki" is fine since that's actually Japanese, but I think it would be good if the terminology were consistent about what language it's in. cmcswiggen
How do you pronounce "sexagenary?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.166.69.56 (talk • contribs) 22 August 2006.
The overview is vague to the point of being misleading. It's only an overview for the Japanese system, not the system as a whole, but it never mentions that. Someone who didn't recognize the Japanese transliteration of the Hanzi would likely think that the whole calendar was adopted in the 7th century, which is wrong, wrong, wrong. Elijahmeeks 15:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I changed a verb so that the grammar was correct. anniid 07:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't 甲子 and 庚子 have the same Japanese pronunciation? While they can use the kun readings won't it still get confusing? Ohwell32 21:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The Chinese new year dates are wrong for many years Davidyan74 (talk) 08:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
The Japanese cycle is called the "kanototori" cycle.98.242.74.75 (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
In the “Relation to the western calendar” section of Sexagenary cycle, the text reads “The actual year commence is based on Chinese Solar calendar, always February 4 of every year.” and a source is cited. However, in that very source, it is stated that the new year is usually on the 4th or 5th of February, and gives comprehensive tables year by year of the exact date and time at which the new year begins. These are mostly on the 4th, but some are on the 5th. This same exact problem (even down to citing the same source and not following what it says) occurs on Chinese zodiac, whereas Chinese astrology and Chinese New Year show the years based on the Chinese Lunar Calendar, with the date of the new year changing by several days or even weeks each year.Qaanol (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I have rewritten the introductory paragraph, and the overview section, and have responded to two-year-old request for verifiable citations. I have covered the bare necessities of the Chinese situation up to the Han period. It would be good if someone would contribute the following additional sections: Sexagenary cycle in Japan, ... in Korea, ... in Tibet, in other places, perhaps also in contemporary folk traditions.
The mass of tables at the end of the article badly needs clearing up - I'll do it myself if their creators do not object. The table of "Ten Heavenly Stems" and "Twelve Earthly Branches" should go, as those topics have separate articles (with similar tables) of their own. The "Sexagenary Cycle" table should probably stay as is. The remarks following it need to be cleaned up or deleted, however. The endless tables correlating the sexagenary cycle with the international calendar should also go, to be replaced with two sentences describing the relationship. The "24 Cardinal Directions" image should go (or go somewhere else) since it is not connected with the sexagenary cycle.
All references to the on-line astrology web-page should go, as it is simply not a reliable source.
The final table for months and the accompanying comments make very little sense. Unless a better source can be found for it, it should go.--TheNothingNihilates (talk) 03:05, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
The article says:
Actually for 2008/60 I get 33.46666 -- perhaps what was meant is 60/2008, in which case I get .02988 -- can someone please clarify? I'd like to try and figure out some signs from the 19th century but can't figure out how to do it, the article is unclear. Green Cardamom (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I disagree. What you wrote above is complicated and confusing. "1964 / 60 = 44 with remainder of 44" only makes sense if your an experience math person capable of parsing the language. The example as currently written in the article is written for non-math people, straight-forward and easy for anyone to understand and follow, it doesn't assume familiarity with the concept of "remainder". Honestly, when I see the word "remainder" I think of a very different concept than the mathematical one. Your obviously a math person but most people are not. It took me 30 minutes last night to piece together all the clues to figure out how to do it, I've never in my life run into the math concept of "remainder" (or I have long since forgotten how), I can assure you that is true for most people. And reading the remainder article was not easy either. Just keep the example simple for anyone to follow and don't force them to do difficult math (though I realize it's not difficult for you or once one becomes familiar with it). Green Cardamom (talk) 02:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
The formula section is unsourced, and the formula's don't work, mathematically, that I can tell, per above. I've added an expert tag, an unsourced tag, and restored the tables back to 1804. If there are working formula's please do update that section so we can easily figure out using the formula method, but you'll need to do a better job explaining how they work and with clear examples that actually work as described. Until then please don't delete the tables.Green Cardamom (talk) 01:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I deleted this sentence from the history. "According to Chinese historical records, the calendar was invented by the Yellow Emperor in the year 2637 BC, the 61st year of his reign" It cited Aslaksen's paper as basis. But what Aslaksen actually writes is "Some claim that the calendar was invented by the Yellow Emperor,Huángdì (黄帝)), in 2637 BCE in the 61st year of his reign….Modern scholars consider the Yellow Emperor to be a mythological figure. So this whole discussion of ancient dates [what is year 1] is just a curiosity." But in any case, it is not relevant to the history of the cycle since the cycle was not used for dating years until the Han Dynasty. It was at first related to the location in the zodiac of the planet Jupiter during the year (Smith's paper), and so it is clear that the dates of the Yellow Emperor's rule were based on the year cycle, not visa-versa.
But when illustrating repetition, in lieu of a better date, I used his reign (not the start of the calendar) and added an explanation. Stone-turner (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
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The sexagenary calendar cycle isn't just "a cycle of sixty terms used for reckoning time in China and the East Asian cultural sphere." It's also used in the traditional Tamil calendar and possibly other traditional South Asian calendars that are similar. Can someone please verify exactly which traditional South Asian calendars use this cycle and update the first sentence? Otherwise the beginning feels like it's only favouring the East Asian traditions and insulting other traditions. — Jclu: talk-contribs 10:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
In the section "Overview" the first sentence ends with "the twelve Earthly Branches representing the years of Jupiter's duodecennial orbital cycle". From a historical point of view, this must be a much later "representation", as the Sexagenary cycle was first used for the recording of days (as a kind of "week" of 60 days, running without any kind of interruption through both lunar months and seasonal years) in the late Shang era about 1250 B.C.E. Only about 1000 years later (in the Qin and early Han eras, as earliest about 250 B.C.E.) do we find any evidence for use of the Sexagenary cycle for recording of years. As Jupiter's sidereal orbital cycle is (a bit less than) 12 years, it seems, at least to me, to be probable that the Chinese at this time correlated "the twelve Earthly Branches" with Jupiter's "residing" in different parts of the Chinese "zodiac" (possibly from contact with astronomers from India, whose "Indian 60-year cycle", however, really follows Jupiter's "true" orbital period and therefore often only has 59 years), but this cannot be the original source for the cycle of "the twelve Earthly Branches", which existed more than 1000 years earlier. Does anyone have any information about the "true", historical source of this Chinese cycle of "the twelve Earthly Branches"? And if so, could that information (of course from a scientific, cited source) be incorporated into this Wikipedia page? /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.158.201 (talk) 07:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
It would be very useful if this page also included some more text about the very ancient counting of days by means of the Sexagenary cycle. After all, this "60-day-week" is, as far as we know, the oldest use of the Sexagenary cycle, possibly more than 1000 years older than the counting of years which the page tells us a lot about. Above all, the page should give its readers some "fixed point" for calculating this Sexagenary counting of days, as e.g. the information that yesterday, Monday 2 April 2018 C.E., i.e. 17th day of the 2nd Chinese month, year "wù-xū" ("戊戌"), was the first day of this Sexagenary day-count, i.e. a "jiǎ-zǐ" ("甲子") day - which, to the best of my knowledge, is true. /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.241.158.201 (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey Q5968661, thank you so much for taking the time to plot out the days on a chart!
However, I'm finding it extremely hard to follow. I want to write a longer explanation for using it, like the one that exists for cyclic years to Western years, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you want people to do for the century column(s). You want people to mod the century by 2, which I take to mean that the only answer is either row 01 or 00--yet the century sub-column on the right contains much higher numbers. I'd be able to follow along if there were an example century given that didn't fall under either N10 or N3. Would you be so kind as to either explain it to people unfamiliar with this type of math, or perhaps edit in a new example? --A garbage person (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Heavenly stems | N | Earthly branches | ||
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Century | Century | |||
Julian calendar | Gregorian calendr | Julian calendar | Gregorian calendr | |
01 | ||||
17 24 | 02 | 02 06 10 14 | 18 | |
01 03 05 07 09 11 13 15 | 22 | 03 | 21 | |
04 | 24 | |||
20 | 05 | 01 05 09 13 | ||
18 | 06 | 17 | ||
23 | 07 | 20 23 | ||
00 02 04 06 08 10 12 14 | 16 | 08 | 00 04 08 12 | |
21 | 09 | |||
19 | 10 | 16 19 | ||
11 | 03 07 11 15 | 22 | ||
12 |
Is that clear? -- Q5968661 (talk)
Heavenly stem | A 甲 | B 乙 | C 丙 | D 丁 | E 戊 | F 己 | G 庚 | H 辛 | I 壬 | J 癸 | 天 干 | |||||||||||
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Century | Date | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | Year mod 40 | ||||||||||
11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 9 | 20 | |||||||||||||
Julian calendar | Gregorian calendar | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | |||||||||||
31 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
23 | Feb | Jun | Jul | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | 04 | 06 | 25 | 27 | |||||
18 | Jan | Apr | May | Feb | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | 08 | 10 | 29 | 31 | ||||
20 | Mar | Jan | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | 12 | 14 | 33 | 35 | ||||||
G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | 16 | 18 | 37 | 39 | |||||||||
01 | 22 | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | 01 | 03 | 20 | 22 | |||||||
17 | 24 | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | 05 | 07 | 24 | 26 | |||||||
D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | 09 | 11 | 28 | 30 | |||||||||
19 | Nov | Dec | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | 13 | 15 | 32 | 34 | ||||||
21 | Sep | Oct | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | 17 | 19 | 36 | 38 | ||||||
00 | 16 | Aug | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | 02 | 21 | 23 | 00 |
Q5968661 (talk) 00:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Heavenly stem | A 甲 | B 乙 | C 丙 | D 丁 | E 戊 | F 己 | G 庚 | H 辛 | I 壬 | J 癸 | 天 干 | 干 支 纪 日 速 查 表 | ||||||||||||||||||||
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Century | Date | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | Year of the century | ||||||||||||||||||||
11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 9 | 20 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
31 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
16 | Aug | Julian | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | 00 | 02 | 21 | 23 | 40 | 42 | 61 | 63 | 80 | 82 | ||||||||||
23 | Feb | Jun | Jul | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | 04 | 06 | 25 | 27 | 44 | 46 | 65 | 67 | 84 | 86 | |||||||||
18 | Jan | Apr | May | Feb | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | 08 | 10 | 29 | 31 | 48 | 50 | 69 | 71 | 88 | 90 | ||||||||
20 | Mar | Jan | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | 12 | 14 | 33 | 35 | 52 | 54 | 73 | 75 | 92 | 94 | ||||||||||
G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | F | 16 | 18 | 37 | 39 | 56 | 58 | 77 | 79 | 96 | 98 | |||||||||||||
22 | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | E | 01 | 03 | 20 | 22 | 41 | 43 | 60 | 62 | 81 | 83 | ||||||||||||
17 | 24 | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | D | 05 | 07 | 24 | 26 | 45 | 47 | 64 | 66 | 85 | 87 | |||||||||||
D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | C | 09 | 11 | 28 | 30 | 49 | 51 | 68 | 70 | 89 | 91 | |||||||||||||
19 | Nov | Dec | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | B | 13 | 15 | 32 | 34 | 53 | 55 | 72 | 74 | 93 | 95 | ||||||||||
21 | Sep | Oct | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | A | 17 | 19 | 36 | 38 | 57 | 59 | 76 | 78 | 97 | 99 | ||||||||||
Earthly branch | A 子 | B 丑 | C 寅 | D 卯 | E 辰 | F 巳 | G 午 | H 未 | I 申 | J 酉 | K 戌 | L 亥 | 地 支 | |||||||||||||||||||
Century | Date | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | 05 | 06 | 07 | 08 | 09 | 10 | 11 | 12 | Year of the century | ||||||||||||||||||
13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 9 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | |||||||||||||||||||||
25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Julian | Nov | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | 00 | 07 | 16 | 23 | 32 | 39 | 48 | 55 | 64 | 71 | 80 | 87 | 96 | ||||||
20 | 23 | Sep | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | 14 | 30 | 46 | 62 | 78 | 94 | ||||||||||||
17 | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | 05 | 21 | 37 | 53 | 69 | 85 | ||||||||||||||
Jul | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | 03 | 12 | 19 | 28 | 35 | 44 | 51 | 60 | 67 | 76 | 83 | 92 | 99 | |||||||
24 | Jan | May | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | 10 | 26 | 42 | 58 | 74 | 90 | ||||||||||||
21 | Jan | Mar | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | G | 01 | 17 | 33 | 49 | 65 | 81 | 97 | |||||||||||
18 | Dec | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | F | 08 | 15 | 24 | 31 | 40 | 47 | 56 | 63 | 72 | 79 | 88 | 95 | |||||||
Oct | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | E | 06 | 22 | 38 | 54 | 70 | 86 | ||||||||||||||
Aug | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | D | 13 | 29 | 45 | 61 | 77 | 93 | ||||||||||||||
22 | Feb | Jun | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | C | 04 | 11 | 20 | 27 | 36 | 43 | 52 | 59 | 68 | 75 | 84 | 91 | ||||||
16 | 19 | Feb | Apr | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | B | 02 | 18 | 34 | 50 | 66 | 82 | 98 | ||||||||||
B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | A | 09 | 25 | 41 | 57 | 73 | 89 |
Algorithm for mental calculation
Expressions:
Month | e | |
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Jan | 00 | -1 |
Feb | 31 | 30 |
Mar | -1 | |
Apr | 30 | |
May | 00 | |
Jun | 31 | |
Jul | 01 | |
Aug | 32 | |
Sep | 03 | |
Oct | 33 | |
Nov | 04 | |
Dec | 34 |
Examples:
1. December 26, 1893
2. April 2, 2018
3. December 25, 105 BC (-104)
4. January 1, 1600 (leap year)
5. January 1, 1900 (common year)
Q5968661 (talk) 12:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Since the ToC is auto-generated I don't see how this could have happened, but the ToC lists a subsection called Algorithm for mental calculation, and nothing happens when you click it. I can't find that text in the page either. Equinox ◑ 12:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Adding on to the discussion above, the current look-up table for the sexagenary days is quite confusing and I could not find any explanation on how to use it. Considering that it looks different from its counterpart on the Chinese page, I think that we should check its correctness. I am especially critical of the fact that both days and months are on the same side of the table, both are referring to columns, so you cannot find any intersection of them, as is done in the Chinese version.
If I have understood the Chinese table correctly, in order to find the stem-branch for a given date, e.g. 25 January 2020, one first needs to check whether or not one needs to use the red numbers. Since both century (20, left side) and year (20, left side) are marked in red, we do need to use the red numbers. Then check the intersection of day (25, top) and month (red 01, left side), and arrive at 乙. Then look for the rows marked by the century (20, left side) and the year (20, right side). In the row for the year (20, right side) search for 乙. In this column, move up (or down, accordingly) until you reach the row marked by the century (20, left side). In the intersection you will find 丁, so the stem for 25 January 2020 is 丁.
For the branch, do the same in the bottom half of the table, that is: Find the intersection of day (25) and month (red 01), arrive at 未. In the row marked by the year (20, right side), find the cell with 未, then move up in that column until you reach the row marked by the century (20, left side) and in the intersection find 卯, so the branch is 卯 and therefore the stem-branch for 25 January 2020 is 丁卯, which can easily be verified through Sinocal.
However, I could not figure out how to use the tables provided on the English page. If we do not provide any information on how to use it, I think we should remove it from the article.
Ph. Immel (talk) 14:48, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
How can that be accurate? Is the BC year number considered to be negative? That could be made more explicit. —Tamfang (talk) 06:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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