kgf: Chapter 2

Asianet News, Mentioned KGF: Chapter 2 earned INR 1250 crore within 41 days and India Today which I consider more reliable mentioned INR 1232 crore in 45 day. Which one should be considered as more reliable? Grabup (talk) 13:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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@Ravensfire @Ab207 @C.Fred Need your opinion. Grabup (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Both are reliable sources Tigerikkada (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tigerikkada, You are saying both are reliable?. How even this possible? One source mentioned 1250 crore in 41 days and another 1232 in 45 days. Grabup (talk) 13:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Grabup, I dont think every one understand he box office statics of India, in India we have state wise box office tracker, some trackers gives collection without gst, n some others gives with gst. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerikkada (talk • contribs) 13:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tigerikkada, Can you provide any other reliable source other then Asiannetnews, which mentioned 1250 crores? Grabup (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Grabup. I wouldn't call India Today source more reliable because it simply regurgitates the figures published by a Manobala Vijayabalan on twitter without their own fact checking.
Since everything in Indian box office is an estimate, some deviation among the sources is expected to arise. Unless we know for sure that some of these sources are dubious, we should simply display range by including both the figures, imv -- Ab207 (talk) 14:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
@Ab207@Tigerikkada, As Ab207 suggested I added Both gross with the respective sources. Grabup (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
@Ab207,@Tigerikkada, Asianet News published another article where they are mentioned that the film grossed ₹1230 crore in 43 days. And then in the previous article they mentioned ₹1250 crore in 41 days. The new article cited the Tweet which India Today cited. Grabup (talk) 04:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Better to maintain the current range. When most sources agree that the film crossed ₹1250 cr, then the lower estimate can be removed -- Ab207 (talk) 12:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

The box office for the film K.G.F-Chapter 2 is 1232 Crores Ronit6969 (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

K.G.F-Chapter 2 box office is 1232 Crores worldwide. Ronit6969 (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I think we should use MBV's numbers only when other sources aren't available. Since Asianet numbers are reliable, we should stay clear of MBV's numbers Bodi123 (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Bodi123, What about the reliability of this article published by Asiannetnews but the numbers are deferent.🙃 Grabup (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@Grabup I mean I understand your point of view, but previous discussions on the Wikipedia Reliable Source lists Asiannet as a reliable source, and MBV's as not reliable. I believe that since for over two weeks noone other than MBV reported figures for KGF, and hence his figures were used. Besides MBV's figures have historically had discrepancy with other reported sources, including for films like Beast, RRR and Sarkari Vaari Pata as well. The Telugu and Tamil industries almost never use his figures anymore. Bodi123 (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Not to insult anyone and with respect, this is a totally unnecessary discussion. Because we're here arguing for nothing. Both India Today and Asianet News are same as reliable. But Asianet has an advantage over the India Today because India Today publishes the numbers from a 3rd party platform. Which is from Twitter (a social media). While Asianet published their numbers from their own work. That's why I'd say it's the better one to be in the article. Thank you. XT RedZone (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@XT RedZone, The same source AsianetNews reported in 27th May that the film earned INR 1230 crore within 43 days and they did not referred to any tweet in that article. On the other hand in previous report they mentioned 1250 crore in 41 days. Now can you tell me which article we should follow? Grabup (talk) 09:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
This may be a scenario where the infobox and lead has a range and the box office section attributes the various numbers to the sources. I would also caution to remember that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, so worrying about day-to-day changes when after a few months there is more likely to be consensus among sources can be counter-productive. There is no deadline. Ravensfire (talk) 14:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi.. It's been 2 months snd multiple sources have quoted 1250 crores. Can we now remove the lower limit now? 1) English:

https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/news/kgf2-to-vikrant-rona-5-pan-india-kannada-films-that-shocked-the-indian-box-office/amp_etphotostory/93181142.cms

2) Kannada:

a) https://vijaykarnataka.com/entertainment/news/james-kgf-chapter-2-777-charlie-after-vikrant-rona-enters-rs-100-cr-club/amp_articleshow/93292664.cms?utm_source=hyperlink_amp&utm_medium=news-articleshow&utm_campaign=article-2

b) https://tv9kannada.com/entertainment/sandalwood/kgf-chapter-2-movie-still-performing-in-mumbai-yash-movie-collects-1250-crore-in-world-box-office-rmd-au34-404559.html/amp

c) https://tv9kannada.com/entertainment/sandalwood/yash-kgf-2-puneeth-rajkumar-james-rakshit-shetty-777-charlie-and-sudeep-vikrant-rona-joins-100-crore-club-rmd-au34-422410.html/amp

3) Telugu :

https://tv9telugu.com/entertainment/tollywood/kgf-chapter-2-box-office-collection-day-50-yash-film-inches-closer-to-rs-1250-crore-globally-hombale-films-tweet-au55-721195.html/amp

Kataariveera (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC) 

No objection from me. When there are numerous estimates like in this case, better to present the most reported figures(s). -- Ab207 (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

In the recently published News 18 article, there is a clear and complete breakdown of the film's closing collections, thus making it more valid. Here is the link to the article---- https://telugu.news18.com/news/movies/yash-prashanth-neel-kgf-chapter-2-total-world-wide-box-office-closing-collections-ta-1327904.html Pinging @Ab207:, @DareshMohan:, @DaxServer:, @SP013: and @Kailash29792:....please go through the article and leave your comment.....Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

When the movie is very much running in its home state, how can it be "closing collection"? Maybe they stopped collecting breakup collection after they felt the movie has reached fag end. Other reliable source ( India Today & Asianet) have provided higher figures probably because they continued tracking. So the range should be ideally ₹1240 to 1250 crores. Just because a particular media outlet gave detailed breakup and stopped later, doesn't mean we consider that as beginning point of the range. If not, let's follow the same criteria for all movies where we will consider a detailed breakup to be the point of starting range ( disregarding other articles which only mentions the figures). Kataariveera (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

KGF 2 has ended its run in Telugu, so its possible that they closed their tracking. -- Ab207 (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
:News 18 article was published on 9 June 2022, Indian Today article was published on 25 May 2022, whereas both Asianet and TV9 articles were published on 3 June 2022. The other point to be noted here is both India Today and TV9 uses Manobala Vijayan's figures. I am here not commenting that his figures are wrong but, there is only a slight difference between the figures of News18 (1233 crore) and the other two (i.e. 1240.95 crore). Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 5:45, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
It's just an 8 cr difference in over 1240+ crore, why bother that much? Nothing compared to the mess we have at Kabali or Valimai. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Right.Telugu run probably stopped and they stopped tracking. At that time, it was 1233 crores. Now, we have India Today saying 1240 crores & Asianet saying 1250 crores. So, can we not mention 1250 crores or if at all range is to be mentioned, we can mention 1240 to 1250 right? If not, tomorrow someone ( assume Tamil article- which stopped tracking after Tamil run) gives a detailed breakup at 1225 - should be mention range as 1225 to 1250 ? Why we need keeping going backwards to decide the starting point of the range just because it is detailed? Kataariveera (talk) 05:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Other Telugu media (TV9) outlet also mentions about 1241 crores. So why stick to 1233?

https://tv9telugu.com/entertainment/tollywood/kgf-chapter-2-box-office-collection-day-50-yash-film-inches-closer-to-rs-1250-crore-globally-hombale-films-tweet-au55-721195.html/amp Kataariveera (talk) 05:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

If the concern is about date, here is the one published on June 10 - we can go according to that since that is the latest. News 18 repor is on June 9.

https://newsable.asianetnews.com/amp/entertainment/exclusive-how-baahubali-ss-rajmouli-inspired-makers-of-kgf-chapter-2-drb-rd88y9 Kataariveera (talk) 06:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

It is still running over 400 theatres across the world, how could you ends the collection. Tigerikkada (talk) 11:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

That's exactly the point. When the movie is still running in its home states, why should we stick to a Telugu article when you have other sources mentioning both 1240 & 1250? Kataariveera (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Am observing last 15 days where Mr @Jayanthkumar123 is selectively editing and whereas he cited "news18" as a reference for kgf2 closing collection but he failed to cite same article which stated rrr closing collection is ₹1150 cr, it shows nothing but double standard guy is editing Wiki English. Wikipedia will be spoiled by such one sided editors. Tigerikkada (talk) 16:22, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

That 1150 crore was removed by some other editor citing old data but it's been restored now. Name calling won't take us anywhere. Please comment on content, not on the contributor. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Please clarify whether 1240 - 1250 crores can be considered or not for range? ( Since we have 2 sources with those figures). One of the reason why 1233 need not be considered is the report has closed tracking even though the movie is running in its home state. Just like how we used to update collection based on latest report, we can consider 1250 since it is as per the latest date(Jan 10). Why use range in the first place? If the reason is that it is detailed, then please note by calling it "closing/ final collection" it seems that it has stopped tracking Kataariveera (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

We can wait for a few days. If more and more sources start reporting 1250 cr, then lower estimates can be removed. -- Ab207 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Pinkvilla published the worldwide gross collection is 1198 crore aprrox. Khiladi King (talk) 03:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Nearly all the reliable sources agree that that the film grossed >1230 crore. Pinkvilla's 1198 crore is a minority viewpoint, so can't be treated on par with numerous others to skew the range in its favour. As per WP:DUE: "Wikipedia should not present a dispute as if a view held by a small minority is as significant as the majority view." -- Ab207 (talk) 06:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Firstpost, India TV and The Statesman published that 100 days bo was 1100 crore. Pinkvilla published as 1198 crore. While news18 published 1240 crore. Times Of India published 1250 crore. Khiladi King (talk) 06:36, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Umm what...100 days figure is less than previous estimates? 1300 cr also seems dubious. Should be somewhere around 1250 cr as per sources which tracked collection on a regular basis. -- Ab207 (talk) 09:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Even I feel the same, so what to do now? Ab207 can you suggest?. Also, Khiladi King and Kataariveera try to resolve the issue rather than making continuous edits to the article.....Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I suggest 1250 as that is the figure cited in most sources. Here are the different sources:

https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/news/kgf2-to-vikrant-rona-5-pan-india-kannada-films-that-shocked-the-indian-box-office/amp_etphotostory/93181142.cms

https://tv9kannada.com/entertainment/sandalwood/kgf-chapter-2-movie-still-performing-in-mumbai-yash-movie-collects-1250-crore-in-world-box-office-rmd-au34-404559.html/amp

https://vijaykarnataka.com/entertainment/news/james-kgf-chapter-2-777-charlie-after-vikrant-rona-enters-rs-100-cr-club/amp_articleshow/93292664.cms?utm_source=hyperlink_amp&utm_medium=news-articleshow&utm_campaign=article-2

https://newsable.asianetnews.com/gallery/entertainment/yash-kgf-chapter-2-makes-multiple-records-in-canada-drb-rcfwqh

Kataariveera (talk) 15:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC) 

@Jayanthkumar123 - please note that I had already resolved the issue under "Box office" talk page with Ab207 & only after that edited. The mistake was probably instead of discussing here, I discussed there... Nevertheless, I had made efforts to resolve the issue Kataariveera (talk) 16:44, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jayanthkumar123, Khiladi King, Kataariveera Okay, it seems that this 1100 crore estimate is also pushing down the position of KGF 2 below RRR which is definitely not the case. It has been reported across various sources that KGF 2's WW gross is exceeded RRR. We don't want Wikipedia to be out of sync with this widely acknowledged factoid.
Since we locked RRR at 1150-1200 cr now, KGF 2 should be higher, perhaps somewhere around 1250 crore? You guys decide can decide the range but better to avoid both 1100 cr and 1300 cr as outliers. -- Ab207 (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

I feel 1250 crore can be used since at least five sources (given above) have reiterated that. Also, is there a need to give a range? I don't think we need to always give a range. Kataariveera (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You won't believe that even some major sources mentioned that the film grossed only 1000 crore INR. 3 sources published that the film completed 100 days and the collection was around 1,100 CRORE+ while some, Pinkvilla and odisha tv stated as 1,200 crore. India Today stated as 1300 crore. box office estimates can't rely on only a single source. Khiladi King (talk) 05:30, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Comparing it with the situation of RRR, it is better to avoid both 1100 and 1300 crore figures. Even for RRR few sources claimed that it has collected 1100 crore. We cannot add such extreme estimates. As the box office figures of KGF C2 have varied estimates, it's better to use range. I feel 1198--1250 would be ideal for the final box office figures range. Khiladi King do not use Koimoi's box office figures in any film article, as it is considered unreliable according to ICFT sources......Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 6:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

But is there a need to use a range? Isn't 1250 reliable and sufficient? Considering there are 5 sources citing it 2 months after its usual run and the movie is still running in Bangalore theatres Kataariveera (talk) 07:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

It's up to the consensus whether to use range or not. In principle, KGF2 should be above RRR (as of date). -- Ab207 (talk) 09:08, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Jayanthkumar123 - please comment whether there is objection in using 1250 crores only without any range? Kataariveera (talk) 12:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

As said earlier it is ideal to use the range 1198--1250 crore. I am aware that the film is still running in few theatres, which don't give extreme difference in overall collections. In that case even RRR is still being screened not just in India but also overseas, but that didn't make difference in the overall collections. Also the estimates 1198--1250 crore make the KGF C2 rank above RRR....Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 16:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I would prefer 1200 as the base range instead of 1198. Only Pinkvilla uses 1198 that too as on Jun 23 ( and Odisha TV copies the same). So having 1200 looks more correct while giving the range. Even Indian express ( Indulge) which initially used 1198 has now updated to "more than 1200"... And there are no. of sources giving various figures upto 1250.. So I guess 1200 to 1250 while giving the estimate range would be more appropriate Kataariveera (talk) 17:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

There are websites which published that KGF 2 beats RRR in India Link : (https://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-kgf-chapter-2-box-office-collection-yash-film-beats-rrr-becomes-3rd-highest-grossing-indian-movie-2951579/amp) And also RRR is going to release in Japan so it may cross KGF 2 Even then, to become 3rd highest grossing Indian film worldwide.

Khiladi King (talk) 05:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC) 

That's the reason why I was insisting on 1250 since that has been cited by 5 sources... If range is required we can go with 1230 to 1250.. Kataariveera (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Hmm..no issues from side for using 1200--1250 crore box office figures as said earlier by Kataariveera. What do you say Khiladi King?...Jayanthkumar123 (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Ok then, 1200-1250 should be mentioned as we can't rely only only on one website. So range is better. Khiladi King (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)