Recently I've raised the possibility (on the Wikipedia-L list) of implementing DOI into Wikipedia in the same way as ISBNs are: the wiki will simply fashion a link out of anything that follows a DOI code.
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Problems are the parsing (how long is the longest DOI string and what are the stopping characters). Another solution would be an interwiki identifier ([doi:etc.etc./94809324]). Any ideas on the matter? Who does one approach to have this implemented? JFW | T@lk 13:46, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The main example 10.1002/ISBNJ0-471-58064-3 (doi:10.1002/ISBNJ0-471-58064-3) seems to be invalid. Is this a made up example, or should this be looked into? --Alex 02:03, 2004 Oct 3 (UTC)
The ISBN example is not only invalid, but the explanation is also wrong. The "-3" does not refer to a specific part of the book, but is part of the ISBN itself (in fact, it is its checksum). --Qlmatrix 14:17, 2004 Oct 22 (UTC)
Would it be possible to make something like the PMID WP:PMID that seems to be well integrated in wikipedia? KristianMolhave 20:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
It would be great if the article could discuss the difference between DOIs and URNs, since at first glance they seem to do much the same thing. —Psychonaut 01:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
The article does not document that DOIs were originally invented to specify ownership of written work, so I am hoping that the more neutral wording of what they identify might be restored.
Since I chanced to hit upon this article, I read the opening sentence and found that, wow, intellectual property is key to the definition of DOIs. Wanting to know if this was a well-settled conclusion of the editors working here, I found that from January 2004 until April 2006 this article had basically this opening sentence:
Then, after an edit on 3 April 2006 by User:Cogitabondo who never again appeared on Wikipedia, suddenly this was the opening sentence:
This mixes together an information retrieval term (DOI) with a controversial legal concept. If a DOI pointed to a Wikipedia article, would that make the WP article intellectual property? The catch phrase about the DOI as a "bar code for intellectual property" is repeated in the article, but with no speaker identified, and none was easily findable with Google. The DOI Handbook more neutrally states "A DOI® (Digital Object Identifier) name is an identifier (not a location) for an entity on digital networks." Please reply if you have opinions on whether I should restore the original wording, or something similar. EdJohnston 00:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Recently 213.188.227.119 (talk · contribs) asked a question under Privacy Protection about why DOI providers need to collect IP addresses and domain names for people looking up articles. While this may be a valid point, I think it needs to be neutrally phrased (per WP:NPOV). If we can quote someone as asking that question (and cite a reliable source for them asking it), it is clearly OK. I'm not sure if we can ask it directly. I suggest this section needs to be rephrased. EdJohnston 19:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Besides that, I'm not sure that that's really a valid question. The DOI foundation states only that they do collect domain names or IP addresses, not that they actually need to. Maybe it should be rephrased as a note about privacy concerns, instead. 208.101.144.199 03:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I had email contact with CrossRef and DOI. They collect IP data to determine whether the system is abused. They store the IPs indefinitely which is somewhat strange (you may ask them using the published email addresses to verify that IPs are stored indefinitely). I believe that a systematic collection of IP addresses needs to be questioned. The amount of data collected is available here: http://www.doi.org/privacy.html "Our logs collect and store only domain names or IP addresses, dates and times of visits, and the pages visited" So the data is not anonymized. Next: "Data from the logs may be used to measure the number of visitors to the site". In my point of view, for single usage stats, they collect too much data.
Just a thought. 213.188.227.119 21:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the Disadvantages section reflects the personal opinion of the editor who created it. Any reflection on the lack of security or privacy about the DOI system ought to come from a reliable source. You can't just cite the DOI system's own policies and assert "privacy issues... still unclear." In whose opinion? DOI themselves did not say they were unclear. Since there are no sources, I suggest that the section should be removed. Since that would then give an 'Advantages' section but no 'Disadvantages', I suggest that 'Advantages' be changed to 'Intended Benefits'. Please comment on this possible change. EdJohnston (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Though the disadvantages section was removed from the article (see #'Disadvantages' section is POV ). I think it has some potentially valid points, but I don't know the literature in this area to come up with verification. So brought it here for people to work on. Would appreciate help with references, improvement suggestions, etc. Thanks. Zodon (talk) 05:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
There are some issues to consider before adopting or using the DOI:
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It would be nice if this article (or the talk page) had some kind of links to how DOIs are used in Wiki English. Some of the cite templates seem to have some way of using them, there is a bot . Still newbie on Wikipedia, so I don't know where such things are documented and how you find them, but if there is some clean way to do it, it would be nice to have a pointer someplace here. Thanks. Zodon (talk) 06:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
For example: Interwiki map[1] includes DOI Template:Cite journal/doc has DOI field Bot: User:DOI_bot
The article is more-or-less totally about the Digital Object Identifier, rather than the generic digital object identifier.
"The uncapitalised term 'digital object identifier' may be used non-specifically to describe a number of varied technologies concerned with the identification of entities in a digital environment. The capitalised term 'Digital Object Identifier' refers to one specific system defined and managed by the International DOI Foundation...". Norman Paskin (2008). "Digital Object Identifier (DOI®) System". p. 2.
The article should be moved to Digital Object Identifier, unless it is going to be expanded to cover digital object identifiers in general. I favour the move. Nurg (talk) 02:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Article says "metadata are persistent", but is this correct? Is it not the case that the metadata is not persistent, but the DOI is persistent, and that this is precisely the value of having a DOI? Nurg (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Three flags were added to this article by user DGG in Jan 2010. As the contributor who has added most on this article over the last year, I would be happy to help work to solve these problems, with some guidance if necessary. I have edited to remove these flags pending a response to the following queries: “1. This article may be confusing or unclear to readers. Please help clarify the article; suggestions may be found on the talk page. (January 2010).” Reviewing the talk page here, these comments are quite old and seem to relate to earlier versions of the article. I don't see any specific suggestions meriting this flag. I believe most of the issues/problems have been addressed in subsequent 2009 edits, but am happy to help fix any that remain. Please help by drawing specific questions and issues to attention. “2. This article is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. WikiProject Computing or the Computing Portal may be able to help recruit one. (January 2010)”. The article was mainly put together by updating earlier material and adding new material by the Managing Agent of the International DOI Foundation with input from the IDF which created the system and the DOI System users and registration agencies. Consequently it has been authored by experts in the subject. In what further way is it “in need of attention from an expert?”: please provide specific questions and issues to be fixed. “3. This article includes a list of references or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate. (January 2010)”. I endeavoured (a) to follow the Wikipedia guidelines, which say that Citations can be presented within articles in one of five ways, the first being “By placing the citation in a list at the end of an article….” and that Editors are free to use any method; (b) to provide a clear narrative, with links to the main sources. If there are specific references where the link is not clear, please mention these specifically. Thanks Npaskin (talk) 12:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
User David Eppstein observed “try another tag since the last batch was just reverted without any improvements”. Whilst no changes to the article were made as a result of the earlier (Jan 2010) tags, a response was added to Discussion (see “Jan 2010 flag additions” above) explaining why, and requesting further specific suggestions for change. Please respond with any further specific suggestions.
The tag “technical” [“This article may be too technical for most readers to understand. Please improve this article to make it accessible to non-experts, without removing the technical details”] was added. In response, I have added an introductory section with a brief non-technical overview, followed by a Business Week quote with a reference to the 2001 Business Week article on the DOI System. I have, as requested, not removed any technical details. Npaskin (talk) 08:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
EdJohnston (talk) 22:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Because they refer to journals, and the journals cost money. It mostly is because journals seem to decided to use DOI's.
The 1st para states "naming a document by its DOI provides a more stable mechanism than URLs for linking to online content", and cited http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_30/b3742032.htm. What this ref actually says is "Assuming the publishers do their job of maintaining the databases, these centralized references, unlike current Web links, should never become outdated or broken." However publishers do not always keep the databases up to date, so the assumption and the conclusion are incorrect, and do not adequately support Wikipedia's statement. Nurg (talk) 04:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
What is the official pronunciation of the acronym? Do-ee, doy, D-O-I? Gareth Jones (talk) 22:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, the official pronunciation is D-O-I. See http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-metadata/2004-April/000365.html Robert Nürnberg (talk) 09:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, that's a good source. Gareth Jones (talk)
I disagree that "DOI names" is actually clearer than "Nomenclature" because the section talks about how the Digital Object Identifier system names objects, where as "DOI names" is ambiguous and somewhat contradictory as a reader would understand the that the system has several names for itself.174.3.125.23 (talk) 09:25, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
The DOI system offers persistent, semantically-interoperable resolution to related current data and is best suited to material that will be used in services outside the direct control of the issuing assigner (e.g., public citation or managing content of value).
This is hardly grade eight reading level. Plus it persists in confusing the DOI Foundation's aspirational definition with its reality on the ground (no org. ever overpromised and underdelivered).
One could begin by writing "A fully maintained DOI system offers ..." and then move on to tackle "interoperable resolution to related current data" which could be a phrase lifted straight out of a techno-babble satire pastiche. — MaxEnt 21:19, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if this is going anywhere, but see also the Draft:Entity Registry System ★NealMcB★ (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
While I'm very much in favour of the idea of DOI resolvers that prefer open access versions of articles over paywalled/free-registration-required version, the URL https: slash slash oadoi.org has a quite risky javascript requirement. I've replaced the less than and greater than symbols by LT and GT to avoid triggering off any automatic mediawiki filters. Right now the bottom of the http response I got includes:
LT!-- our actual app --GT LTscript type="text/javascript" src="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/static/ti.js"GTLT/scriptGT LTscript src="//localhost:35720/livereload.js"GTLT/scriptGT LT/bodyGT
which looks quite risky - requiring a javascript script to be installed on the user's local machine... I'm not sure if we should show this URL directly...
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contentdirections.com going out of business and abandoning https://dx.doi.org/10.2277 might be worth mentioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AManWithNoPlan (talk • contribs) 02:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
There's currently a requested move at Talk:DOI#Requested move 24 June 2023 to move one of the dabed articles to the base name as the primary topic. Thought I'd advertise it here to see if anyone wants to chime in given that there's probably not many people watching the dab page itself. Candidates seem to be United States Department of the Interior, Digital object identifier or these two being equivalent, so I'm advertising it at both talk pages though if someone else can name another one I might copy it over there as well. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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