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This post provides false information that imposes a false political agenda. Please remove mention of conspiracy or right wing mention as it is unrelated to politics. 2601:5C4:4301:4240:EC37:4560:E077:3BAB (talk) 18:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- What post? - FlightTime (open channel) 19:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
This is misinformation
If you look at Frances demographics based on race since the early 1900's this is no longer conspiracy 2601:58C:407F:3450:A040:8B06:8F52:AA31 (talk) 09:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- So, is the French government imposing a one-child policy upon Whites? Guess not. tgeorgescu (talk) 11:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- How is it relevant to the fact, or not, the original major ethnicity is getting replaced by a foreign ones?
- Whether the "great replacement" is encouraged or not by some malicious hidden intent (conspiracy theory) isn't involved to the fact a population is factually getting replaced by one or some others in proportion of population.
- And it's not nationalist/racist to observe this phenomenon with objective eyes. 195.101.88.55 (talk) 15:32, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Framing it as "replaced" certainly is nationalist/racist. Objective eyes call it migration. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Can we include the figure in the article? I would like to be enlightened and understand whether it's a phenomenon or not. Some say it's a conspiracy theory. I think a figure would be helpful to determine whether that is true or not. 82.147.226.185 (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- The goal of a Wikipedia article is not to encourage WP:Original Research, but rather to summarize the description of a topic by all of the significant opinions on a topic.Sadads (talk) 12:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Figure?
Would it make sense to add a figure showing the absence or presence of displacement over time in various countries? I'm guessing this kind of data must be available for countries such as Germany, France and Sweden? 82.147.226.185 (talk) 15:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Demographic changes naturally occur. That's not what this article is about. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- What O3000 said. The conspiracy theory is the cause of the change. Not the change itself. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- This sentence confused me at first because of slightly clumsy wording. It should be: The conspiracy theory is about the cause of the change. (The conspiracy theory did not cause the change.) --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- The elephant in the room (which you are carefully tip-toeing around) is that the reason this conspiracy theory exists at all is because of that demographic change. To neglect to even mention said change can only be a misguided ideological motivation, and, I would argue, this has backfired and contributed to perceptions of minorities as a larger proportion of the population than they really are in most countries, multiplying the divisiveness. 172.59.186.91 (talk) 14:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- What O3000 said. The conspiracy theory is the cause of the change. Not the change itself. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Gemini chatbot race replacement
I recently added this content which I had copied from Gemini_(chatbot).
User:Firefangledfeathers deleted it and commented, "Reverted good faith edits by Mn06hithere227 (talk): This content and the sources cited are not about the great replacement conspiracy theory."
I am curious to hear what others think of this:
In February 2024, users of Google Gemini reported that it was generating images that featured racial and gender diversity in historically inaccurate contexts, primarily among White people such as Vikings and Nazi soldiers, and refusing prompts to generate images of White people. Many conservatives in the U.S. promoted these reports online, citing them as evidence of Google's "wokeness". In response, product lead Jack Krawczyk said that Google was "working to improve these kinds of depictions immediately", and Google paused Gemini's ability to generate images of people.
Mn06hithere227 (talk) 23:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- I would have to agree that Great Replacement is not the right place for this content. Great Replacement Theory primarily deals with a purported conspiracy to replace white people demographically in white majority countries. This AI prompting error would appear to be more related to a failure related to corporate diversity efforts. An article in that area might be a more appropriate place for this content. Ottawajin (talk) 06:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- No connection to the subject. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Emphasis from "Replacement Migration," but not vice versa
It's been suggested more than once that this concept is directly linked with published studies such as the UN Replacement Migration papers that disambiguate/emphasize with this Great Replacement article. It is obviously and prominently linked in the lower traffic article, but official editors refuse to acknowledge the inclusion or citation in the opposite direction, from within this article.
I personally feel it is already disingenuous to suggest the GR theory is a "conspiracy theory," and not an ideology or response to an ideology about immigration, demographics, etc. To completely ignore or dismiss the real, studied, and cited basis for this response to an idealogical solution to a complex problem, appears to be it's own bias. Im sure this is improperly formatted, and lacking all the bespoke Wiki vocabularly, links etc. Im also not qualified to make an actual edit, if it's even possible. However, I hope that showing up here and presenting a decent argument for a less bias Wikipedia can be appreciated in good faith, and that someone else will be able to improve the actual articles. 2601:603:381:7640:216E:301C:9767:74C2 (talk) 02:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- You think "I personally feel" is "a decent argument"?
- Wiki articles are based on reliable sources, not on the feelings of random people on the internet. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well said. It should be mentioned - directly in the preambule, not at the bottom - "White demographic decline" article and pro-immigration policy in EU as background / fuel, why do not mention it? Clearly biased. Feww2 (talk) 11:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- I repeat: Get reliable sources. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Every unbiased native speaking editor can find them. It's common sense. That when Merkel invited 1 million migrants in Germany, it fueled "replacement" sentiment. Feww2 (talk) 09:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- If it's so easy, then bring them. You are the one who wants to add something that confirms your opinion. It's your job to find a foundation, you cannot delegate that to others. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Somebody has no idea how to cite sources, so I'll do it for him:
- https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10109-018-00290-y
- Depopulation is projected, with the opposing outlier being immigrant fertility. The demographic picture is not in question, the conspiracy theory here merely lies in the assertion of some sort of perverse motivations to allow this, or an ideology in response to demographic change, rather than that demographic change itself. 172.59.186.91 (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- If it's so easy, then bring them. You are the one who wants to add something that confirms your opinion. It's your job to find a foundation, you cannot delegate that to others. --Hob Gadling (talk) 11:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Every unbiased native speaking editor can find them. It's common sense. That when Merkel invited 1 million migrants in Germany, it fueled "replacement" sentiment. Feww2 (talk) 09:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I repeat: Get reliable sources. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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